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PostSubject: sore thumb   sore thumb EmptyWed May 12, 2010 5:06 pm

ako lang ba nakaka experience nito? haha, o may mali lang talaga akong ginagawa. minsan kasi sumasakit na yung thumb ko sa left hand kapag nag vviolin e.. (siguro sa gigil narin.. haha) anong magandang gawin para maiwasan yung pagkakameron ng sore thumb? =)
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PostSubject: Re: sore thumb   sore thumb EmptyWed May 12, 2010 5:11 pm

magrelax ;)
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PostSubject: Re: sore thumb   sore thumb EmptyWed May 12, 2010 5:12 pm

Grabe naman. Siguro sobrang higpit ng grip mo?
Relax lang! =)

Naeexperience ko lang to pag matagal ung practice. (Rarely) =)
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PostSubject: Re: sore thumb   sore thumb EmptyWed May 12, 2010 5:15 pm

haha medyo mataas kasi yung strings ko sa fingerboard e, and usually nangyayari to sakin pag mabilis na piyesa yung tinutugtog ko.. hahaha gigil sore thumb Icon_mad
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PostSubject: Re: sore thumb   sore thumb EmptyWed May 12, 2010 7:05 pm

cguro ate sinasakal mo ung violin mo? haha baka mawalan ng hininga! corny!! hahaahaha!! :lol!:
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PostSubject: Re: sore thumb   sore thumb EmptyWed May 12, 2010 10:28 pm

@ate kuting
pa luthier mo na yan :D
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PostSubject: Re: sore thumb   sore thumb EmptyThu May 13, 2010 12:13 am

hahaha sari sari na dito sa forum. may sweaty hands, sore thumb...sunod na yung stiff neck hahah.
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PostSubject: Re: sore thumb   sore thumb EmptyThu May 13, 2010 1:37 am

^ ako madalas may stiff neck haha
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PostSubject: Re: sore thumb   sore thumb EmptyThu May 13, 2010 1:18 pm

i'm experiencing this and tama nga, dapat i-relax ang kamay. although in my case, kulang pa ako sa practice mag-relax. ahehe... feeling ko nga lumalaki muscle ko eh!
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PostSubject: Re: sore thumb   sore thumb EmptyThu May 13, 2010 1:32 pm

hehe ako dati ganun nga, yung part ng palm malapit sa thumb masakit. :D nagreklamo ako kay teacher (yeyyyy ako pinakareklamador na student talaga ehhe :lol!:) ayun sabi nga niya dahil sa mashadong nakagrip ako.

tapos dati din di lang ako nagstiff neck, feeling ko naglock jaw pa :lol!: kasi wala kami shoulder rest so especially dun sa initial stages. ayun pareho ang remedy: relax. :D
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PostSubject: Re: sore thumb   sore thumb EmptyThu May 13, 2010 7:27 pm

WaterDancer79 wrote:
hehe ako dati ganun nga, yung part ng palm malapit sa thumb masakit. :D nagreklamo ako kay teacher (yeyyyy ako pinakareklamador na student talaga ehhe :lol!:) ayun sabi nga niya dahil sa mashadong nakagrip ako.

tapos dati din di lang ako nagstiff neck, feeling ko naglock jaw pa :lol!: kasi wala kami shoulder rest so especially dun sa initial stages. ayun pareho ang remedy: relax. :D


yan! dyan mismo sa spot na yan!!! ^_^ lalo na pag walang shoulder rest. anyway, yun kasi turo ng teacher ko noon. di ko naman alam na eventually eh kelangan i-relax. di ako nagreklamo noon kasi akala ko eh part yung ng training at masasanay din ang kamay ko.

grabe, ngayon ko lang nalaman na a.)nangyayari talaga siya sa lahat; at b.)relaxation (or shoulder rest) lang ang katapat!!!
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PostSubject: Re: sore thumb   sore thumb EmptyThu May 13, 2010 8:51 pm

ako araw araw nang may stiff neck!! d na sya matanggal!! parang naging natural sya!? amp! :)
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PostSubject: Re: sore thumb   sore thumb EmptyThu May 13, 2010 11:53 pm

yan na yung normal angle ng ulo mo para natural na natural sa chinrest hahaha.
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PostSubject: Re: sore thumb   sore thumb EmptyFri May 14, 2010 1:04 pm

hahaha kapag nagvviolin magiging normal na ang tabingi ang leeg, pingkaw na braso at flared nostrils.. hahaha alien! sore thumb Lol
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PostSubject: Re: sore thumb   sore thumb EmptyFri May 14, 2010 1:18 pm

hahhahaha ouch grabe ah!?!? :lol!:
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PostSubject: Re: sore thumb   sore thumb EmptyFri May 14, 2010 1:33 pm

dagdag mo pa yung naka pout na lips...
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PostSubject: Re: sore thumb   sore thumb EmptyFri May 14, 2010 1:35 pm

haha nodame!? ou nga ganun ako?? pag absorbed na sa playing.. haha :lol!:
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PostSubject: Re: sore thumb   sore thumb EmptyFri May 14, 2010 1:38 pm

hahaha kung ganun pala lahat ng mukha ng nagviviolin hindi na tayo mahihirapang idistinguish ang mga violinists sa crowd.. sore thumb Lol

hahahaha natatakot ako sa mga mannerisms ko kapag nag pplay ng violin, baka maging permanente na! haha

ay meron pa pla, may kalyo sa fingers.. sore thumb Bom
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PostSubject: Re: sore thumb   sore thumb EmptyFri May 14, 2010 1:46 pm

@kuting16
natawa naman ako don, sakin sobrang kalyo na ang index finger to ring finger sa left hand. sa right hand naman ung thumb, dahil pinipress kong mabuti ang thumb ko sa bow para consistent syang nakabend lolz. at isa pa pala, nagkakaron ng rashes ang neck ko sa bandang left dahil sa violin pin. langya pag namula parang me kiss marks ako lagi >__< kaya laging nakalugay buhok ko.
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PostSubject: Re: sore thumb   sore thumb EmptyFri May 14, 2010 1:52 pm

ay woaah akala ko ako lang nagkaka rashes sa leeg dahil sa violin.. hahaha, ang kati pa pag pinapawisan ka habang nag vaviolin, allergic ata ako dun sa metal part ng chinrest, yung pang clamp..
tapos nung minsan ko lang napansin, yung bend nung left thumb ko, mas malayo kesa dun sa bend ng right thumb ko, cute nga ee haha parang unti unti tayong naeevolve (nagiging alien) hahaha joke sore thumb Lol
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PostSubject: Re: sore thumb   sore thumb EmptySun May 16, 2010 12:42 am

ay dati kala ko unexplained rashes na naman yung mga butlig sa leeg ko! :lol!:

until isang araw may nakilala ako sa workshop, at nabanggit ko na nag-aaral ako ng violin. tinuro niya yung rash ko at sabi "ayan o, kaya sha may ganyan."

saka ko lang naisip na baka nga dahil sa violin yun! :lol!:

so pag-uwi ko, si nanding eh dinikitan ko ng cotton pad dun sa kanto ng chinrest para matakman yung metal. nun ko lang kasi naalala na allergic ako sa mga anik anik na metal.

ayun, ilang days after, nawala yung rash. wahahah :lol!:
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PostSubject: Re: sore thumb   sore thumb EmptyThu May 20, 2010 12:18 pm

Sumasakit din ung thumb ko pero sa right hand naman dahil mahigpit yung ata yung hawak ko sa bow? about sa rash, i used to have that dahil sa metal part nga rin ng violin. what i do is i put a hanky on my neck hanggang sa chinrest. haha
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PostSubject: Re: sore thumb   sore thumb EmptyTue Aug 31, 2010 10:46 am

buhayin ko ang thread na to..dahil..
1. tamad ako gumawa ng bagong thread XD
2. related naman ang tanong ko since tungkol sa fingers din naman.


guys, normal ba na involuntary minsan ang movement ng fingers? lalo na sa exercises na faster tempo? ganun kasi nangyayari sakin minsan.
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PostSubject: Re: sore thumb   sore thumb EmptyTue Aug 31, 2010 6:05 pm

@sessy
kung left fingers ang tinutukoy mo, kapag sanay na sanay na kakapractice parang automatic na ang galaw nila,:D astig yun.
kung right fingers naman sabi sa violin book at saka ni todd ehle, pliable dpat ang fingers ng violinists (which is a prerequisite to legato bowing). parang involuntary na yung finger movement during the change of bow.

in relation to this, para ding playing piano by memory, nakafocus ako sa right fingers(higher notes/melody) habang yung left fingers ay automatic na pumapatak sa chords..
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PostSubject: Re: sore thumb   sore thumb EmptyTue Aug 31, 2010 8:14 pm

@rdgyap
left fingers ang tinutukoy ko. pinipress nya ang string kahit di ko naman inuutusan, kainis lolz. nakausap ko pala si near kanina sa skype, sabi finger memory daw ang term nun ni machi. basta un, akala ko sinasapian na fingers ko sa kakapractice. normal lang pala un.
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PostSubject: Re: sore thumb   sore thumb EmptyTue Aug 31, 2010 9:06 pm


@sessy,... hello!! sakin ang suggestion ko etude etude ka din.. para mapraktis din mga fingers mo.. wolfahrt, saka may ibang books pa ng mga etudes..:) sore thumb 886634
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PostSubject: Re: sore thumb   sore thumb EmptyWed Sep 01, 2010 11:22 am

@sessy
ahh, yun pala ang tawag dun
natawa naman ako sa sinasapiansore thumb 520332
@reum
yup, unga, kahit nakakasawa kelangan mag "etude etude" sore thumb 886634
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PostSubject: Re: sore thumb   sore thumb EmptyWed Sep 01, 2010 12:46 pm


no... di dapat masawa sa kakaetude.. bad yun... once na masawa ka tatamadin ka na mag-etude... at yan yung bad habit sabi ni friend..just spent a worthful 10 mins lang okay na yun.. para mapraktis yung fingers mo at di kalawangin...

*ganito yung ginawa sakin ni friend... binigyan niya ko ng isang pyesa, sabi niya praktisin ko yun ng 2 weeks.. so everyday tinutugtug ko.. after 2 weeks chineck niya ko... sabi niya bakit ka ganyan? yung tugtug mo parang sight read lang! ouch ako, tinugtug niya yung pyesa na that day niya lang binasa sobrang ganda yung pagkakaaply niya. tapos sabi niya etude daw kulang ko para lumambot yung fingers ko.. ang hirap iexplain haha... pero naintindihan niyo nmn siguro point ko..:) sore thumb 683349
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PostSubject: Re: sore thumb   sore thumb EmptyWed Sep 01, 2010 11:50 pm

tama reum.

Personally, I didn't improve my playing because of the pieces my teacher gave me. Kahit mataas na level na concerto pa yan, pag hindi ko napractice ang sevcik, hrimaly, wohlfahrt op. 45 book 1/2, Kreutzer, Kayser... hindi hinog ang tugtog ko sa mga concerto or sonata na naka-assign for me to finish in order to graduate. Kailangan talaga ng masinsinang practice.

Dati, nakakasurvive ako sa lesson ko pag everyday nakakapag-exercise ako at nagagawa ko ng maayos yung mga etude. Kahit hindi ko pa na-practice or na-sightread yung pyesa, nagiging okay ang takbo ng daliri ko.

Actually, nakikita kong difficulty ng mga nag-aaral nowadays, they can't relate the exercises to the pieces given. May analogy lang naman sila, at kahit creativity side ng brain pina-iiral ng music, it also needs logic for you to figure out how to express the phrasing, expression, with note reading, para sabay madevelop ang skill and note reading. Mahirap na maiwanan ang isa. Exercising can lessen any sore finger or any un-relaxed movement. Although masakit sa umpisa ang exercising lalo na pag hindi pa sanay. Pero you'll get used to it. Parang exercising the body lang din ang mechanism. Lastly, exercising can lessen the dapa moments pag tumutugtog na ng actual piece. May saying nga kami ni jm eh, "Marami pa kami kailangang kaining etude..."

Now that I don't have any lesson (pero I will try to go back again, para hindi masayang ang talent. hahaha...), I still manage to practice everyday the etudes and exercises. Walang pyesa. Binabalikan ko lang lahat ng exercises na nagawa ko na at iniimprove ko pa sya. Para hindi matapos ang learning sa kung ano lang ang dapat kong gawin.

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yey,,,,, actually masaya nga yung etude. lalo na yung wolfahrt nung unang try ko kasi may teacher and student maririnig mo talaga yung blending...
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PostSubject: Re: sore thumb   sore thumb EmptyFri Sep 03, 2010 6:31 pm

aw, ngayon ko lang nabasa ulit reply nyo.. nice! sorry po, di na ko magsasawa sa etude etudes :D medyo stuck ako ngayon sa sevcik, pwede ba pagsabayin yun sevcik at wolfahrt? wala pa ko alam kahit isa sa wolfahrt eh..
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PostSubject: Re: sore thumb   sore thumb EmptyTue Sep 07, 2010 1:19 pm

pwede mo iprint yung wolfrt somewhere dito sa thread.... heheh..
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ah sige hanapin ko, di pa ako napapadpad sa section na yun :D palagi general, marketplace at FAQ/tips tricks
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