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Bakit kaya ganito ang disenyo ng hole ng violin? Wala ako masyado information na mabasa tungkol dito.
Basta may kinalaman daw sa tunog? eh paano na construct yung design ng f-hole? The F-Hole. WTF! :) 120347

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Uy Jurusu, Hindi naman lahat eh "f" ang butas ng hole..
Tignan mo ito oh..
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Ang sexy naman ng violin na yan!!! Korteng bote ng coca-cola!!!
WTF talaga title nun jeje hahaha.
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Historically ... yung mga instruments like Vielle, Lyra da braccio, Viola da braccio, Rebec ...etc.... hindi pa "F" yung holes .... ahahaha... more like dun sa pinost ni Jeje ... Medieval instruments nga pala yang mga nabanggit ko ... since 1500s lang naman "lumitaw" ang violins with the characteristic F holes ... ^_^


*usually like the Rebec (medieval fiddle) 3 strings lang
tapos yung iba more than 5 ... up to 10 or more kasi may "drone strings" ... yung tipong nagreresonate lang - hindi talaga tinutugtug ... The F-Hole. WTF! :) 408621


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grabe parang mga lolo at lola nang mga violins.. hahhaha The F-Hole. WTF! :) 770666
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as expected from the "authority" hehehe.
grabe nga!!! pero hindi pa rin ko pa rin alam kung bakit ganun ang korte ng F-hole!!!
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Omoshiroi, very thought provoking. The F-Hole. WTF! :) 588451
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Julius, kaya ganun yung korte ng F-hole eh para sa sound production. Actually sa mga examples ni Ron, bukod sa factor ng strings, tuning at kung ano-ano pa, sa f-holes kasi lumalabas yung sound ng acoustic violins/bowed instruments. Pag walang f-holes, hindi lalabas yung sound, sa loob na lang sya ng violin.

hmmm..

i'll put it this way,

Parang pag kumakanta. Pag yung bibig ng isang singer ay maliit, depende sa pagproduce nya ng sound, maliit pa rin ang tunog nun dahil maliit ang opening na kung saan lumalabas ang sound. Parang speaker. Pag maliit ang speaker, maliit din ang tunog, pero dahil sa technology, meron nang speakers na kahit maliit eh full ang frequency. Kaya yung body na lang natin ang example ko.

kung ang f-holes ay sing laki ng katulad sa gitara, iba na tunog nun at malamang mahirap i-bow. :) Tunog muted ang violin kapag walang f-holes. Yung sound post lang at bass bar ang makakaenjoy ng resonance ng violin pag walang f-holes. :)

Pagpunta natin sa langit tanong natin sa gumawa ng unang violin kung bakit ganun itsura. para sigurado. hehehe... :D Pero kidding aside, may mga evidences kasi na naiwan. kaya atleast yun siguro ang purpose.
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salamat po maam liza.
ang isa pa sa bumabagabag sa akin ay ang construction ng f-hole.
medyo interesting din kasi sa integral calculus, nakikita rin yung F na yun!

may kinalaman kaya sya?
ang mga jazz guitar ay may F-holes din.

pero ang mga ovation guitars ay iba naman ang style at circular holes naman!

yung dimension ng f-holes, pano na standardized? pinag-aralan kaya nila ang bawat korte ng f-holes hanggang sa mag come up sila ng perfect hole figure for the violin?

nababagabag ako hehehe.
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kainis julius. hehe.. :D

wag ka na mabagabag. Siguro may kinalaman sa physics yun. Pero from the beginning kasi, ganun na talaga ang shape nya. Unless Medieval - Baroque period. Siguro, ang mas importante eh paano mo papatunugin yung violin mo regardless kung paano kinonstruct ang f-hole. Kasi, lumalabas lang naman sa f-hole eh. yung sound projection mo saka yung bow pressure yung importante.

Let's put your question this way...

Parang sa singing. Kailangan ba pare-pareho ang buka ng bibig ng isang singer para parehas sila ng idol nyang singer din. Depende sa timbre yan ng singer. May singer na kahit ibuka nya ang bibig nya sa pagkanta, hindi lalabas yung tunog kung hindi niya piniplace yung tunog nya. May placement din yan. Parang sa violin, kung yung bow naka-"place" sa malapit sa fingerboard, kahit super daming pressure sa bow, mahina pa rin ang tunog dahil ang expected placement eh sa gitna para tumunog ng maayos.

Hindi naman importante masyado kung paano kinonstruct (in a performer's point of view)

Pero..

kung gusto mo matuto gumawa or mag-ayos ng violin, ask the luthiers (mang anghel or amador)... Or punta ka sa Italy. mukhang sila makakasagot ng gusto mong sagot. :) hehehe...

Kasi ang area of responsibility ng isang violinist ay ang sound production. Yung construction, pwede niya pakielaman, pero hindi to the full extent na pati yung kailangang tailored sa pagtugtog nya. wala namang "RTW - ready to wear" sa violin playing na kung saan, pag yun lang ang hawak mo magaling ka na. Hindi naman magic violin eh. hehehe.. :D
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ok hehehe.

kasi po nagustuhan ko ang violin hindi lamang sa kanyang tunog pero pati na rin ang kanyang construction.

at nag fefeeling luthier po ako. bukas mag aayos ako ng bridge hehehe.
bilib na bilib ako sa architecture ng violin! lalo na ang purfling! ang galing!
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well, ako rin na-aamaze. pero syempre, knowing that every people has responsibility, I won't take being a luthier dahil I know other people can do better fixing my violin. hehehe... Kaya nga ako nag-violin at iniwan ang singing. Dahil I know, there are a LOT of people who sings much better than I do. So, I choose something that will last, at yun yung pagtugtog ng violin. Kahit siguro hindi pa ako ganun ka-galing, I just know na kaya ko patunugin yung violin ko nang maayos. :) hehehe...

yun lang.

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Ok yan Jurusu.. Baka mahanay ka na din sa mga Top Luthiers dito sa PInas kung sakali makapag training ka under the supervision ni Mang Angel or Mang Amador.. hahahaha

Malay mo yan ang calling mo.. :D :D :D
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^ I agree. :) hehehe...
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go jurusu!! dapat 50% off ung samin ah!! JK!!! hahaha The F-Hole. WTF! :) 770666
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nyahahaha! naayos ko na yung bridge ni sibuyas kanina hahahaa.
hirap pala magayos haha.

wala pa ko sa kalingkingan ni mang anghel.
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@Julius
tanong mo kaya kay Sir Macazo to. :) mukhang alam niya sagot dito. hehe. Tutal andito na siya sa forum. The F-Hole. WTF! :) 112191
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bigla naman akong nahiya mam liza hahahaa....
magiipon lang ako ng lakas ng loob at itatanong ko kay sir macazo heheh.
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jurusu wrote:
salamat po maam liza.
ang isa pa sa bumabagabag sa akin ay ang construction ng f-hole.
medyo interesting din kasi sa integral calculus, nakikita rin yung F na yun!

may kinalaman kaya sya?
ang mga jazz guitar ay may F-holes din.

pero ang mga ovation guitars ay iba naman ang style at circular holes naman!

yung dimension ng f-holes, pano na standardized? pinag-aralan kaya nila ang bawat korte ng f-holes hanggang sa mag come up sila ng perfect hole figure for the violin?

nababagabag ako hehehe.
haha, mathematician ka din jurusu? The F-Hole. WTF! :) 588451
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Eng po ako rdgyap hehe. Natanggap ko na sya hahaha. Di na ko masyado nababagabag!
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Ating alamin kung paano na position ni stradivari ang F-hole.

http://www.fiddleheadstrings.com/microsoft_word___for_the_strad_part_2_8_sept.pdf
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