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PostSubject: about hofner and bachendorff   about hofner and bachendorff EmptySat Oct 16, 2010 2:33 pm

HELLO PO!!! New member po!! gusto ko lng po malaman kung ano po ung mas maganda between hofner and bachendorff? nagcanvass po kasi ako kanina sa lyric piano store and salonga/jb store.... halos same price po sila, pero gusto ko lng po ng additional infos about the two brands..... actually may nabasa po ako sa link posted po d2 about differences about brands here in the philippines.... gusto ko lng po malaman based on your experiences po.....


balak ko po kasi bumili by this month or the next.....



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shucks, i can't remember yung thread saan yun pero may "ranking" si teacher liza diyan eh...

anyway, you must've seen this before: http://orchestra.zpmi.net/resources-brand.html

i'm partial to a cremona since that's what i own. :P hehehe...

as we always say here, it all boils down to your preference. :)
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bursky wrote:
shucks, i can't remember yung thread saan yun pero may "ranking" si teacher liza diyan eh...

anyway, you must've seen this before: http://orchestra.zpmi.net/resources-brand.html

i'm partial to a cremona since that's what i own. :P hehehe...

as we always say here, it all boils down to your preference. :)



ayan nga po ung nabasa ko... salamat po sa pagpost ulit..... SALAMAT PO SA PAGREPLY...
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Depende din kasi sa budget mo yan eh.. Yung magandang klaseng Hofner, nasa 15k above yun..

Sa Bachendorff naman, nasa 15-17k..

The Lower priced ones are a bit hard to distinguish from one another.. hehehe



Pwede rin yung 15k mo bili ka kay Sir Rommell Camba.. may mga handcrafted siya naka post.. try to visit market place threads..



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post ka na din sa First hello thread for proper introduction.. about hofner and bachendorff 112191
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"H" aka: Jeje wrote:
Depende din kasi sa budget mo yan eh.. Yung magandang klaseng Hofner, nasa 15k above yun..

Sa Bachendorff naman, nasa 15-17k..

The Lower priced ones are a bit hard to distinguish from one another.. hehehe



Pwede rin yung 15k mo bili ka kay Sir Rommell Camba.. may mga handcrafted siya naka post.. try to visit market place threads..



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post ka na din sa First hello thread for proper introduction.. about hofner and bachendorff 112191

hanggang 5k lng po ung kaya ko..... student p lng po saka starter p lng po..... ^^,


kea po tinatanong ko na rin po kung anu po ung affordable brand at that price po.....

salamat po sa pagreply.....

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You can get the 5k worth Bachendorff violin sa Lyric.. I'm not sure kung pareho lahat sila ng price.. But I saw one in Lyric SM Pampanga (sn fdo)... You can try looking at Lyric Farmers area, or sa horse shoe drive sa Aurora Blvd..
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may Hofner sa Raon. 5k
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hello !!! ... actually weather weather ang pagpili ng violins sa dalawa ... minsan makakatyempo ka ng magandang Bachendorff minsan may ngongo ...same with Hofner !!! ^_^

kaya mas maganda kung may kasama kang marunong na magtatry ng violin ... kung ayaw ipatesting sayo ng shop keeper ... errrrr .... well dapat ipatry nila .... ehehehe ;)
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"H" aka: Jeje wrote:
You can get the 5k worth Bachendorff violin sa Lyric.. I'm not sure kung pareho lahat sila ng price.. But I saw one in Lyric SM Pampanga (sn fdo)... You can try looking at Lyric Farmers area, or sa horse shoe drive sa Aurora Blvd..


nakapag-canvass na po ako ng bachendorff sa lyric, 4.2k po ung price..... halos magkalapit lng po sila ng price ng hofner...
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near wrote:
may Hofner sa Raon. 5k


balak ko rin po bumili sa raon, pero nalalayuan po ako..... maganda rin po kea bumili sa may vmapa?
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hello !!! ... actually weather weather ang pagpili ng violins sa dalawa ... minsan makakatyempo ka ng magandang Bachendorff minsan may ngongo ...same with Hofner !!! ^_^

kaya mas maganda kung may kasama kang marunong na magtatry ng violin ... kung ayaw ipatesting sayo ng shop keeper ... errrrr .... well dapat ipatry nila .... ehehehe ;)



awwww..... un nga po iniisip ko, kelangan ko po magpasama sa marunong magviolin, prob ko po is lhat busy.... lahat po ba ng store nagpapatesting ng violin? na-try nyu na po ba magpatesting?
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unfortunately, hindi lahat nagpapatesting ... lalo na kung feeling nila eh di ka naman bibili ... pero sa JB Music sa Park Square Makati twice na ako bumili ng student violins dun at twince naman sila nagpapatesting .... katapat lang din nya ung Lyric .... hehehehe.. ^_^

kaso ewan ko nga lang kung nandudun pa sila since halos lahat ng mga memorable buildings nung kabataan ko sa Glorietta eh tinitibag na nila .... T-T

.... i guess un talaga ang problema sa "modern" things - walang historical value kaya ganun ganun nalang nila burahin sa mapa... tsk tsk ... @_@
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unfortunately, hindi lahat nagpapatesting ... lalo na kung feeling nila eh di ka naman bibili ... pero sa JB Music sa Park Square Makati twice na ako bumili ng student violins dun at twince naman sila nagpapatesting .... katapat lang din nya ung Lyric .... hehehehe.. ^_^

kaso ewan ko nga lang kung nandudun pa sila since halos lahat ng mga memorable buildings nung kabataan ko sa Glorietta eh tinitibag na nila .... T-T

.... i guess un talaga ang problema sa "modern" things - walang historical value kaya ganun ganun nalang nila burahin sa mapa... tsk tsk ... @_@


thanks po sa suggestion..... kpag po ba "ngongo" ung nabili na violin, may pagasa pa po bang maayos un?
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errrr ... hindi ko alam kasi so far hindi pa naman ako nagkakaroon ng "ngongo" na violin ... ahahaha



kaso diba ??? why buy something na "ngongo" or defective kung may matino naman jan ... un nga lng eh ... it takes time and patience... and effort of traveling and searching for an acceptable student violin ...

ang hindi maiiwasang issues sa student violins ay ung mga pegs, at ung finger board - kadalasan kasi kailangan mo parin dalhin sa luthier para gawin nilang "pulido" ... don't worry ... lahat ng mga student violin ay may "konting issue" kaya dadalhin at dadalhin mo tlga yan sa luthier para ipa-set up ... hindi naman mahal magpa-set up sa lutheir.... matututu ka rin ng mga secrets na luthier lng makakapagturu .... ^_^


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@baroque: dba minsan posibleng maayos, like ipasetup mo sa luthier, like pag carve ng bridge, lowering of nut, udjusting the soundpost etc etc. alala ko ung freyja dti ni mam khea, pansin ung difference nung naset up. about hofner and bachendorff 35449
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yup Luigi ... korek !!! ... and yes Clowreed.... i believe basta hindi pa abo yang violin mo ay may pag-asa pa ng remedyo ... hehehehe about hofner and bachendorff 588451
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errrr ... hindi ko alam kasi so far hindi pa naman ako nagkakaroon ng "ngongo" na violin ... ahahaha



kaso diba ??? why buy something na "ngongo" or defective kung may matino naman jan ... un nga lng eh ... it takes time and patience... and effort of traveling and searching for an acceptable student violin ...

ang hindi maiiwasang issues sa student violins ay ung mga pegs, at ung finger board - kadalasan kasi kailangan mo parin dalhin sa luthier para gawin nilang "pulido" ... don't worry ... lahat ng mga student violin ay may "konting issue" kaya dadalhin at dadalhin mo tlga yan sa luthier para ipa-set up ... hindi naman mahal magpa-set up sa lutheir.... matututu ka rin ng mga secrets na luthier lng makakapagturu .... ^_^



ok po... thanks for the enlightment..... ^^,
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medyo naguguluhan pa po ako sa mga pasikot-sikot sa violins kasi po baguhan p lng and wala pa violin..... getting to know p lng po with the experienced....


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ok lng yan ... tama nang magexperiment ka muna sa student violin eh .... para pag dating ng panahon na ready ka na bumili ng Hand Crafted mo .... alam mo na kung pano Talaga aalagaan ... ^_^
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unfortunately, hindi lahat nagpapatesting ... lalo na kung feeling nila eh di ka naman bibili ... pero sa JB Music sa Park Square Makati twice na ako bumili ng student violins dun at twince naman sila nagpapatesting .... katapat lang din nya ung Lyric .... hehehehe.. ^_^

kaso ewan ko nga lang kung nandudun pa sila since halos lahat ng mga memorable buildings nung kabataan ko sa Glorietta eh tinitibag na nila .... T-T

.... i guess un talaga ang problema sa "modern" things - walang historical value kaya ganun ganun nalang nila burahin sa mapa... tsk tsk ... @_@


thanks po sa suggestion..... kpag po ba "ngongo" ung nabili na violin, may pagasa pa po bang maayos un?

Kapag makapal ang middle part ng bridge, ang tendency ay magkaron ng ngongo na tunog. Kaya may pagasa yan.
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tama ka jurusu .... may video ata dito nun... kaso natabunan na .... kung luthier or sanay magtabas ngbridge ... sisiw lang ... ^_^


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mga ate and kuya... gusto ko po malaman kung ano po ung mga prices (from cheapest to expensive) ng strings and rosin na mabibili po sa mga stores dito saten.....



thanks po sa replies.......


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cheap ung tig 200 na Alice rosin .... 700 - 800 na Eudoxa at 1,000 ++ na Laubach .... o_O
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thanks po sa prices...... what about po sa strings? magkano po pinakamura?


@KundarmaH: 80php po pinakamura????
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may 20 petot ang isang piraso ... pero i wouldn't recommend that unless wala ka na talagang mahanap na tindahan at kailangang kailangan mo talaga ... ahahaha.... o_O
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may 20 petot ang isang piraso ... pero i wouldn't recommend that unless wala ka na talagang mahanap na tindahan at kailangang kailangan mo talaga ... ahahaha.... o_O


haha.... kasi po balak ko po manghiram ng violin, eh pag nagkagipitan po, kakagatin ko ung 20php per string... although un po ata ung tunog yero.... ndi pa po kasi kaya ng budget ung mamahaling strings..... matanong ko na rin po pala.... ung mga strings po ba n kasama sa violin set eh magandang strings?
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ay ay !!! si Jeje kontakin mo ... hahahaha... kasi may Perlon strings sya (aka synthetic core) na super affordable wala pa ata 500 pesos yung set ??? errrr di ko sure pero try sending him a PM !!!! ^_^
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mejo mabigat lang bachendorff violin... don't know about hofner
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uu maganda ung strings na un. Innig ung name. 400/set sya. about hofner and bachendorff 35449
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haha.... kasi po balak ko po manghiram ng violin, eh pag nagkagipitan po, kakagatin ko ung 20php per string... although un po ata ung tunog yero.... ndi pa po kasi kaya ng budget ung mamahaling strings..... matanong ko na rin po pala.... ung mga strings po ba n kasama sa violin set eh magandang strings?

kalimitan di masyado ok ang default steel strings.. pero IMO, ok ang mag start sa ganun, steel muna, para pag nag-upgrade ka na, mas maapreciate mo yung synthetic core strings.. hehehe, pero kung me budget naman at gusto talaga, dun ako sa innig ni jeje.. nagastos ko dun around 560php.. yung 50 pang-lbc yung 110 shipping fee at 400 yung strings.. :)
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PostSubject: Re: about hofner and bachendorff   about hofner and bachendorff EmptyMon Oct 18, 2010 11:07 pm

thanks po sa replies..... may isa pa po akong tanong.....


ung shoulder rest po ba, universal size po? I mean, ung para sa 4/4 pede po ba gamitin sa 3/4??
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baroqueviolin
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PostSubject: Re: about hofner and bachendorff   about hofner and bachendorff EmptyMon Oct 18, 2010 11:46 pm

ang alam ko usually ganun nga ... pwedeng ma-adjust ... ^_^
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roland
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PostSubject: Re: about hofner and bachendorff   about hofner and bachendorff EmptyTue Oct 19, 2010 6:10 pm

yung sakin SR 3/4 hangang 4/4, me pang adjust sya..
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clowreed11
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PostSubject: Re: about hofner and bachendorff   about hofner and bachendorff EmptyTue Oct 19, 2010 6:11 pm

rdgyap wrote:
yung sakin SR 3/4 hangang 4/4, me pang adjust sya..


thanks po..... nabasa ko nga po sa net na adjustable po ung mga shoulder rests...... at andaming klaseng SR po..... :D
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PostSubject: Re: about hofner and bachendorff   about hofner and bachendorff EmptyTue Oct 19, 2010 6:50 pm

baroqueviolin wrote:
ay ay !!! si Jeje kontakin mo ... hahahaha... kasi may Perlon strings sya (aka synthetic core) na super affordable wala pa ata 500 pesos yung set ??? errrr di ko sure pero try sending him a PM !!!! ^_^



ineg string un hehe 400 petot po isang set nun...
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abino
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PostSubject: Re: about hofner and bachendorff   about hofner and bachendorff EmptyThu Oct 21, 2010 5:30 pm

very informative..tnx. ^^

hanggang ngayon kasi nag-iisip pa rin kung anong violin ang bibilhin...
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clowreed11
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abino wrote:
very informative..tnx. ^^

hanggang ngayon kasi nag-iisip pa rin kung anong violin ang bibilhin...


same here din po.... dami po kasi options sa pamimili ng bibilin...
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PostSubject: Re: about hofner and bachendorff   about hofner and bachendorff EmptyThu Oct 21, 2010 7:21 pm

i go for magsama ka ng marunong mamili,,,

kasi ntataon, maggnda ung nabibili kong violins,, ung fernando ko 4k lang, pero ok na ung sound for its price haha!!!

meron akong narinig non na violin, hnd ko lam ung brand pero 10k,, tas shet ampangit ng sound hahaha!!!

my viola is a hofner,, mabigat =)) haha!!! pero ok lang, malalim ung tunog,,, sonorous for its size and price,,,

ive tried a bachendorff na violin,,, maganda sha actually, pero hnd ko sha trip, medyo warm ung sound for me,,, gusto ko kasi aggressive,,,

so meaning,, depende sayo =))!!! again,, i go for magsama ka ng marunong tumingin hahah!!!

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clowreed11
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PostSubject: Re: about hofner and bachendorff   about hofner and bachendorff EmptyFri Oct 22, 2010 12:08 am

Absintheus wrote:
i go for magsama ka ng marunong mamili,,,

kasi ntataon, maggnda ung nabibili kong violins,, ung fernando ko 4k lang, pero ok na ung sound for its price haha!!!

meron akong narinig non na violin, hnd ko lam ung brand pero 10k,, tas shet ampangit ng sound hahaha!!!

my viola is a hofner,, mabigat =)) haha!!! pero ok lang, malalim ung tunog,,, sonorous for its size and price,,,

ive tried a bachendorff na violin,,, maganda sha actually, pero hnd ko sha trip, medyo warm ung sound for me,,, gusto ko kasi aggressive,,,

so meaning,, depende sayo =))!!! again,, i go for magsama ka ng marunong tumingin hahah!!!

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thanks po sa advice..... magpapasama n lng po ako sa friend ko na music major....


salamat po ulit!!! ^^,
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Reds
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PostSubject: Re: about hofner and bachendorff   about hofner and bachendorff EmptySat Oct 23, 2010 3:22 pm

me alam ba kayo tungkol sa Craftman brand?
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PostSubject: Re: about hofner and bachendorff   about hofner and bachendorff EmptyMon Oct 25, 2010 4:22 am

lyric pinaka murang vio ata e 5k. pero nkkita din ako 6.9k. sa parksquare.

btw buhay pa ang parksquare.

jb parksquare naman. sale sila now, hofner nila may 4260php? around ganon. 20%off sila now e.

sr 600 soundessential, rosin nila 700-800.

ohmen, nag hhanap pako ng kasama pra bumili ng vio. ung marunong pra di ngongo sound. hehehe! ang mag mamagandang loob lilibre ko ng jamaican pattie (;
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PostSubject: Re: about hofner and bachendorff   about hofner and bachendorff EmptyMon Oct 25, 2010 10:45 am

iba pa rin 'yung may kasama kang may alam sa violin. hmm..salamat.
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patsiepat
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PostSubject: Re: about hofner and bachendorff   about hofner and bachendorff EmptyMon Oct 25, 2010 9:35 pm

@abino , nakabili nako. sino gusto kasama sa saturday 4 pm! (: hiihi. kay teacher liza (:

@ reds, hindi ko alam un. ngaun ko lang narinig. ): sorry.
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Reds
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PostSubject: Re: about hofner and bachendorff   about hofner and bachendorff EmptyMon Oct 25, 2010 11:56 pm

patsiepat wrote:

@ reds, hindi ko alam un. ngaun ko lang narinig. ): sorry.

it's an old brand,i bought it from RJ years ago,it has a dominant sound and better than the high-grade Bachendorff,around three-plus ang bili niya at that time(it was way too late to buy a Yamaha brand[P5,000 ang asking price at that time]).oh well....
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