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hwahw reds, ndi ko kasi alam ang mga tunog ng violin. actually, super baguhan lang ako. siguro kung tutugtugan ako ng nakaka hawak ng violin at nakaka play, papalakpak ako. ha ha ha. sa ngayon ha. (:

0.0 hindi naman ako nag sisisi sa bachendorff ko, pero pinag sisihan ko ung hofner ko before. hihihi. ayon. basta kahoy or tunog maganda kahit anong brand. swerte ung old brand na nabili mo sa rj, ikaw ay walang balat sa pwet. aprub!
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I googled the name Craftsman brand of violin many times,parang walang info about this brand.If anyone who has the same brand of violin as mine,please paki-share lang po.
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di kaya ung Craftsman..dito lang sa Pilipinas. 'ung friend ko bumili last month sa raon.. Craftsman ang brand.. maganda naman daw po.
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PostSubject: Re: about hofner and bachendorff   about hofner and bachendorff - Page 2 EmptyTue Nov 30, 2010 8:05 am

Good Morning to all,

Do any of you have/own this made in Germany model from Hofner, H5D-V or H5G-V, 4/4 size? May nag o-offer kasi nito sa akin, pero di ko alam kung sulit/okay sya bilhin... Di kasi gaanong flamey, medyo plain looking, although mukhang malakas mag project... Ganito yata yung mga naka sale sa JB ngayon, wala na ako nakitang mas mataas na model so far sa mga JB stores eh...

Any help/description/advice on this model will be HIGHLY APPRECIATED... I really need advice on this one. Meron din ako kino consider na ibang models, pero ang budget ko kasi medyo exacto sa Hofner na ito... What I need to know is, Will this Model Age well? May narinig na kasi akong comment na Hofners do not age well daw, even the German ones... Is this true?

Thanks in advance, I hope you guys can help me out!

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PostSubject: Re: about hofner and bachendorff   about hofner and bachendorff - Page 2 EmptyTue Nov 30, 2010 12:48 pm

ay yan ba ung worth 19k+ na hofner? sabi nila german daw, pero nakita ko sa loob made in china.. :D
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PostSubject: Re: about hofner and bachendorff   about hofner and bachendorff - Page 2 EmptyTue Nov 30, 2010 12:56 pm

@cuberoot,

mine is not flamey as well, di cia hofner but I like the sound very much. Don't look too much on the brand. Try as many violins as you can para macompare mo ang sound. Madami mas mura pa jan pero mas maganda.
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PostSubject: Re: about hofner and bachendorff   about hofner and bachendorff - Page 2 EmptyTue Nov 30, 2010 1:04 pm

luigi-kun wrote:
ay yan ba ung worth 19k+ na hofner? sabi nila german daw, pero nakita ko sa loob made in china.. :D

Hi Luigi-Kun,

Tiningnan ko rin yung isang display model nila sa JB Alabang Town Center branch nung dumaan kami, meron naka engrave sa wood na maliit, "Made In Germany". Well, I'm not so sure nga kung Germany or China ito, that's why I'm asking anyone who has the same model. Sa Websites, walang info eh, although makikita sya sa Hofner Website: http://www.hofner.com/siab/en/phpshop/89/page,shop.product_details/flypage,shop.streich_flypage/product_id,58/category_id,51/

Saan makikita yung "Made In China" Luigi, nasa label ba?

Hi Jollyclay,

Yup, I'm sure there are better models out there, hehe, I've been looking at the posts re. Chinese Handmades etc. Truth be told, I'm being offered an H5D-V at a very good price (lower than the sale price at JB), hence I thought I'd look into them na rin...

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PostSubject: Re: about hofner and bachendorff   about hofner and bachendorff - Page 2 EmptyTue Nov 30, 2010 7:23 pm

cguro nga fake ung nakita ko, opo nasa label eh, sa jb music sm fairview, nakita ko sya 6 months ago ata? :D
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luigi-kun wrote:
cguro nga fake ung nakita ko, opo nasa label eh, sa jb music sm fairview, nakita ko sya 6 months ago ata? :D

Hmmm Interesting... I wonder if that particular violin is still at JB Fairview... Will try to drop by JB Fairview this weekend...

Nope, I don't think fake yung nakita mo... Although it might have been an "Alfred Stingl by Hofner"... I have a 3/4 Alfred Stingl, model AS-060-V, but oddly enough, it doesn't say "Made In China" on the label... There is however a "Made In China" sticker on the tailpiece of the violin...

By the way, for those looking to buy Alfred Stingl by Hofner violins, don't buy the AS-040-V model; this one is ultra low end, the fingerboard is ebonized, as are the pegs... Better you buy the AS-060-V, which already has an Ebony fingerboard and Ebony pegs as well.. Hm, or they could be dark wood, but dark nonetheless... As for the kit, you will get the same bow, bridge, and rosin (not to good, the rosin) =)

Thanks for the feedback Luigi...

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PostSubject: Re: about hofner and bachendorff   about hofner and bachendorff - Page 2 EmptyWed Dec 01, 2010 6:28 am

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Im a bit skeptical about the H5D-V if it were really made in Germany.
Maybe the wood came from Germany but the viol was crafted by Chinese hands or machines?... in China hehe. Maybe you can try emailing Hofner and try to check the authenticity of such models.

I dont know if such models really age well. :(

Not to belittle Hofner's entry levels....... I think some OVH violins (well according to OVH) use chinese roofing shingles from old houses aging from 25 to 50 years or more.





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cube.root.sam post mo dito yung sagot ng hofner sa query mo :)
(nagemail kasi si cuberootsam at sumagot naman ang hofner sa kanya.) about hofner and bachendorff - Page 2 943811
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Good Morning All,

Well like Jurusu mentioned, I sent an email to Tom Belotti of Hofner, North America.

Part of my email, which I quote:

I am considering the purchase of a Hofner violin, model H5D-V, which is said to be made in Germany. Unfortunately, in my research, I have not come across any reviews or information regarding this particular model. From the Hofner website (http://www.hofner.com/siab/en/phpshop/89/page,shop.product_details/flypage,shop.streich_flypage/product_id,58/category_id,51/ ), this is the description I got:
>
> "Fully solid, flamed maple, genuine purfling, shaded spirit hand-varnish. This model is designed as an entry level instrument for the demanding student who is looking for a violin outfit that incorporates all the features and benefits for which German instruments are famous - but at a very competitive price. Available in golden-brown (H5G-V) and dark-brown (H5D-V). Sizes available: 4/4 - 1/4"
>
> Now, this is a very nice description, but it does not tell me the whole story about this model. So, I would like to request your knowledge regarding this particular model.
>
> May I inquire as to the following:
>
> * Where is the H5D-V model made? I have come across conflicting information here in the stores in Metro Manila that sell the model. I have examined two units of the model at two different stores in which the word "Germany" is etched inside the body, but the "Germany" word does not appear on the label. However, a friend of mine saw the same model (i.e., H5D-V) at another store, and on this model, the words "Made In China" were written on the paper label. May I correctly assume that if the word "Germany" or the words "Made In Germany" appear on any part of the instrument, that the violin was in fact "Made In Germany"? Or was this model assembled in China, then shipped off to Germany for Set-Up? Not that I'm knocking Chinese made
>
> * What wood was used for the Fingerboard on this model? The wood felt like ebony on the violins that I handled, but I would like to be sure

This was the answer that I got:

Hello Samuel,

The H5D violin is made is from properly seasoned woods that are stored in Germany. The top, bottom, ribs, neck and scroll are all carved in Germany and is then sent to China for assembly and setup.

I hope this answers your questions.

Thank you very much.

Tom Belotti
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888-942-2642
www.Hofner.com
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So I guess this answers my questions, and confirms what Luigi-Kun saw. Actually, from the description in the Hofner website, there was a clue that these instruments are not German assembled:

"This model is designed as an entry level instrument for the demanding student who is looking for a violin outfit that incorporates all the features and benefits for which German instruments are famous - but at a very competitive price."

This was actually their way of saying that this was not German assembled. I mean, why would they mention "German instruments" if the violin was in fact made in Germany right? But I had to be sure, the description, as I mentioned above, was vague.

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Cube,

3 or 4 years ago may nabasa na ako na info ng Hofner "Wood from German, Assembled in China." They were pretty honest back then.

...Just to confirm further your doubts.... o_O
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chum what about the fingerboard? nakalimutan ata sagutin hahaha.
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They did not just explicitly say that the materials were from Germany but were assembled in China. It's marketing strategy.
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jurusu wrote:
chum what about the fingerboard? nakalimutan ata sagutin hahaha.

Yup, he did forget to answer that no? about hofner and bachendorff - Page 2 249180

Well I'll send him a follow-up email and lets see what he says

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Good Morning to All,

I sent a follow-up email to Tom Belotti, as follows:

Good Afternoon Mr. Belotti,
>
> Thank you for answering my first question. This is very enlightening.
>
> May I ask you just a couple more questions, if you don't mind?
>
> 1) Is the fingerboard on the H5D-V made of Ebony? Same question also re the H11-V and H66-V (I saw a description tab on the website, but this does not indicate the fingerboard material)
> 2) Are all of the Intermediate grade violins by Hofner assembled in China as well, like the H11-V and H66-V?
>
> Thanks again, and I hope to hear from you re my other questions.
>
> Samuel

And his reply:

Hello Mr. Castro,

All of Hofner instrument are made with ebony fingerboards, regardless of the model.

All instrument from the H11 model on up are completely made in Germany. Below that level it usually a combined effort.

Thanks.
Tom

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ah ok... kaya pala.. malaking difference ng pricing nila.
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chum ganda mga pics mo!!! those are lovely violins indeed!!!
parang nagiba yung hitsura ni sophie sa picture hahahaha.

ano feeling ng hofner mo? musta naman ang craftsmanship ng chinese made german parts hofner violon?
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Hi Jurusu,

Actually not bad... The Alfred Stingl sounds really nice, and the construction is really solid... No rough edges at all, and the finish is really good... I'm more inclined to buy a 4/4 Alfred Stingl just to try it out...

Iba nga hitsura ni Sophie no? I had a difficult time photographing that violin... It reflects a lot of light, even though the finish is not that shiny... I had to control the flash a whole lot more than usual...

And I was surprised that the Alfred Stingl had flaming on the back... You have to look at it at an angle, but the flaming just jumps out in the right light... Not bad for a stock China Hofner indeed... I can imagine how much more it can improve with a proper set up and Rosewood fittings... Now, THERE's an idea about hofner and bachendorff - Page 2 74395

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Hello to all,

If you will recall, the last time I updated this thread, the general consensus was that the Model H5D-V from Hofner is actually a Chinese instrument, because the final assembly and finishing, so Mr. Tom Belotti mentioned, is actually done in China.

Well, I have a new development about hofner and bachendorff - Page 2 331934

First a little backtracking: when I sent out the emails, I sent them to Tom Belotti of Hofner North America, and I also sent another email to Germany, but no one answered at the time. Only Mr. Belotti answered, and I posted my findings here.

Now, as luck would have it, this evening, I have just received a reply from Hofner Germany, from a Mr. Friedemann Pods, of Sales & Marketing. The general question is the same as the one I gave Mr. Belotti: where is the H5D-V model made?

The answer:

Dear Sir,

to put it in a nutshell: this model is a hybrid of our German and our Chinese workshops and about 70% of the value is created here in Germany. The wood is German (or Austrian, Swiss, Bosnian…) stored, naturally air dried, acclimatized, routed to backs, tops, scrolls in exactly the same architecture and pattern as all our German violins and then shipped to our Chinese workshop where it is assembled and varnished by our Chinese colleagues under the regular inspection of our German Master luthiers (we visit our Chinese operation every 6 weeks) than shipped back to Germany for set-up and final inspection. Yes, this is a very German violin and the fingerboard is made from proper ebony by the way.

What confuses me is the label issue, “Germany” would be the correct label for this model and “Made in China” is just wrong. Are you sure that your friend found “Made in China” inside the violin and not just in the case? The case and bow are Chinese anyway.

The alternative to this “hybrid” instrument would be the 100% German model H11-V or H66-V but these models have about double the price of course.

Mit freundlichen Gruessen / With best regards
Friedemann Pods
Sales & Marketing

+49 (0)9133 77 58-21 Tel.
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+49 (0)9133 77 58-58 Fax

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PhG: K. Schöller GmbH, Sitz in Hagenau, HRB 9961 Amtsgericht Fürth, Geschäftsführer: Klaus Schöller

Well, I have to mention that I have bought the model H5D-V recently, and I have found it to be quite good, Chinese or not about hofner and bachendorff - Page 2 943811 The violin is quite loud, although as it arrived, the violin has not yet been set-up properly, and the bridge is quite high for my tastes. But the reply from Mr. Pods is quite encouraging. I guess I can still consider my Hofner (which is still to be named, as our tradition here dictates) a German instrument, which is of course to my liking about hofner and bachendorff - Page 2 43466 about hofner and bachendorff - Page 2 112191 about hofner and bachendorff - Page 2 770828

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