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PostSubject: Buying a new bow   Thu Dec 16, 2010 11:34 pm

I broke my bow.

Kaya bibili ng bago. Oh well. Anyway, may nag-recommend sa akin ng high end Corelli Brazilian bow. Dried and aged pernambuco siya. Pro level. Market price 18k. Whaaat?! Syempre I am not buying, but if I get a good deal, hehe...

Which led me to research. Iba pa ba ito sa Corelli-Tartini bow or same lang sila or meron bang exclusive Corelli bow or brand ba ang Corelli ng bow or what? At ano ang Tourte at Cramer bow models? At ano ba ang dapat hanapin sa bow?

Siyempre depende sa preference. Ang gusto ko kasi ma-play most genres of music (pero I am thinking of going classical all the way, ehek), so dapat flexible ang bow. Out na rito ang baroque bows, I suppose?

So dapat yung weight not too light. With lighter bows, mahirap ang quick notes. Is it true na magaan daw ang carbon fiber bows? May effect ba ang wounding, pad, at frog as far as playing, techniques, and sound are concerned?

Sorry ang gulo ng mga katanungan ko. Naguguluhan din kasi ako. I am ranting, haha. Your thoughts and opinions will be appreciated in a major major way!
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PostSubject: Re: Buying a new bow   Fri Dec 17, 2010 12:01 am

Kung di ka pa expert, Get a Carbon FIber bow.. Abuse it on your practice and you will appreciate your investment.. Medyo magaan siya ng konti pero di naman gano halata..

Pagdating naman sa weight, most of the time, kapag concentrated ka sa tinutugtog mo, hindi mo na kinokonsider yung weight.. Kaya lang tayo naninibago ay dahil sanay tayo sa nakagawian nating bow na dating ginagamit.. But if you get used to your new bow, wala nang effect yun..

Sa mga frogs, wounding at padding, they contribute to the feel and weight (up to the Milligram only, kaya kung kasing sensitive ng jewelry scales ang kamay mo pagdating sa bigat, then it should be a big deal.. otherwise, hehehe.. ok lang yun).. Besides that, ornamental na lahat yun..
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PostSubject: Re: Buying a new bow   Fri Dec 17, 2010 12:46 am

Gah! Kailangan ko nga palang bumili rin ng bow next year...
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PostSubject: Re: Buying a new bow   Fri Dec 17, 2010 6:38 pm

Eh what if yung bow na tinutukoy ko is given an almost 75% discount? Why a ridiculously huge amount of discount? Long story, haha. Carbon fiber pa rin ba ang pipiliin?
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PostSubject: Re: Buying a new bow   Fri Dec 17, 2010 7:31 pm

@angus

i am not sure kung may brand na "Corelli" ...what i'm sure of is this -

1.) Baroque Bows (especially early baroque bows) are generally shorter than Modern Bows.

But around 1790s when Corelli and his music were in fashion nauso yung "Long Sonata Bow" and since favored 'to ni Corelli it's also called a "Corelli bow"




2. Below a photo of an Early Baroque Bow, a Cramer/Dodd bow, and a modern bow



3. Tartini had several baroque bows ... 2 survive in the Museum in Trieste, Italy. It's also long... like the Corelli bow....

a. Tartini's bows




b. Tartini's bow in blackened wood, and copies... tightened to playing tension and loosened hair


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**Carbon fiber bow - the best lalo na kung harabasang tugtugan ... pag nalaglag, hindi nababali basta basta, unlike wooden bows... ^_^


I think you will need to play long slurred notes, so i suggest a modern bow. Mabibitin ka kung maikli ang bow.

If you need power, kailangan din ng modern bow. In my experience, hindi ka makakapagpatili ng violin with a baroque bow. Too often nalulunod ako sa tugtugan with PV peeps....
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PostSubject: Re: Buying a new bow   Sat Dec 18, 2010 5:59 pm

pano nabali bow mo angus?
gusto ko rin magka carbon fiber bow pero mas gusto ko yung kahoy.
mahilig ako sa kahoy eh kaya fan ako ng violin architecture.

yung mga pros ba na nagcoconcert eh cf bows gamit nila?
ano ba gamit na bow ni perlman? ni chang o ni jansen?
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PostSubject: Re: Buying a new bow   Sat Dec 18, 2010 6:28 pm

@ baroqueviolin, I like the bows on the stand, para silang mga samurai swords.
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PostSubject: Re: Buying a new bow   Sat Dec 18, 2010 9:16 pm

jurusu wrote:


yung mga pros ba na nagcoconcert eh cf bows gamit nila?
ano ba gamit na bow ni perlman? ni chang o ni jansen?

Si Sarah chang may apat na bow (walang baroque) puro modern.. hehehe meron siyang pernambuco for usual practice and smooth playing.. For concertos and solos, She uses her PICCATE bow that overpowers around 40piece string orchestra..

Si Janine Jansen mukhang pernambuko din.. :D

Si perlman kahoy din... yata hehehe
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PostSubject: Re: Buying a new bow   Sun Dec 19, 2010 7:13 pm

Picatte <3 LOL mahal naman para kang magkokotse. Ask mr rommelcamba he sell bows. Alam ko nasa marketplace un. Naku sknya mgatga PPO
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PostSubject: Re: Buying a new bow   Mon Dec 20, 2010 10:12 am

gusto ko ng pernambuco. namiss ko na yung tunog ko na nagreresonate pati sa bow. :( I need a wood bow... haha. :) Sana regaluhan ako nun. hehe... Or, ipon mode ako.
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PostSubject: Re: Buying a new bow   Mon Dec 20, 2010 6:04 pm

Yay! I have it na. Pernambuco bow. At sira na naman ang budget ko, haha. Pero dahil masaya naman ako, bahala na kung magutom ako. Mag-iimbak na lang ako ng mga tirang pagkain from the upcoming holidays.

@Ron
Thanks for the info! I think modern bow naman siya, based sa mga pictures.

@Jurusu
Nung hinihigpitan ko yung screw, nabali siya dun sa may tip. Hayun, tinirintas ko na lang yung bow hair, tapos ginawa ko siyang necklace, hehe.
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PostSubject: Re: Buying a new bow   Mon Dec 20, 2010 6:07 pm

BTW, nirecommend kasi ako na huwag daw mag-carbon fiber kasi super gaan daw. Okay lang daw kung electric violin ang gamit ko. I'm not really sure about this, pero I think hindi naman ako ipapahamak nung nagsabi sa akin nun. Yung bow na binili ko chineck na ng teacher ko. In his words, it has superior balance at camber bounce, kung ano man yun, haha.
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PostSubject: Re: Buying a new bow   Mon Dec 20, 2010 11:06 pm

@ angus25: congrats sa pernambuco mo! nauna ka sa akin, bukas ko pa makukuha ung akin kay sir Rommel. kagaya ng sabi mo warak din ang funds ko, Okay lang ang dilis at lugaw nitong pasko... magkakaroon na ako ng pernambuco Yee-haw!

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PostSubject: Re: Buying a new bow   Tue Dec 21, 2010 1:27 am

@Tal
Haha, oo nga eh. Magkasunod lang bdays ng bows natin. Pero kung hindi siguro naputol yung student bow ko, baka pinagtitiyagaan ko pa rin siya, hehe.
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PostSubject: Re: Buying a new bow   Wed Dec 22, 2010 9:35 am

congrats angus25 ang TalBlaiser. Once you've tried pernambuco bows, hahanapin nyo talaga ang superior tone and control na mabibigay lang ng pernambuco bows.


sa mga future buyers, uso ang scam sa violin world! ingat ingat lang sa pagbili ng bow. maraming mayaman ang naloko, di kasi nagtanong sa teacher bago bumili. meron mayamang beginner sa UP bumili ng bow pernambuco daw 70k bili nya pero yung binili ni TalBlaiser sa akin mas maganda pa sa 70k bow na yun. I'm not kidding.
yung ibang nagbebenta naman magpepresyo ng sobrang laki like 30k tapos bibigyan ka ng 50%-80% discount. e di 6k-15k na lang yun. may pychological effect sa buyer, kunwari nakadiscount sya.


@angus ang totoong "pro" level bow is a lot more expensive than 18k. some current violin students sa UP have $2000 bows they bought on installment from sir toti. my personal bow I also bought from sir toti is around $800 current price.

as long as approved ng teacher yung price at least sure ka na na hindi ka naloko.

hindi kailangan mahal para masabing maganda ang bow kasi 4 former and current concermasters, 3 principal players and many tutti violin players na ang bumili at gumagamit ng "cheap bows" ko sa concerts ng orchestra.

regarding sa weight ng bow hindi totoong mas magaan ang carbon fiber sa kahoy kasi may mga pernambuco ako na 58grams lang. yung carbon fiber ko 60-62grams. meron din carbon fiber yung source ko 68grams pero request kasi sa akin ng associate concertmaster ng PPO 58-60grams. naghahanap pa nga sya ng 56grams na pernambuco.

actually, balance ng bow ang tinitingnan ng karamihan hindi weight.
kaya maganda meron at least 3 bows na pagpipilian para macompare mo ang differences nila kahit pareho sila ng weight. saka always bring your violin when buying a bow kasi bows react differently to different violins. kailangan babagay sa violin mo yung bow. parang imamatch mo sila.

I'm willing to help anyone choose a bow even if you're buying from someone else. magtext lang kayo.


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PostSubject: Re: Buying a new bow   Wed Dec 22, 2010 10:02 am

OT: Wow parang imamatch pala yung wand with the wizard!;)
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PostSubject: Re: Buying a new bow   Wed Dec 22, 2010 10:13 am

rjzero wrote:
OT: Wow parang imamatch pala yung wand with the wizard!;)

may mga bows kasi na mellow ang napoproduce na sound, meron din bows na matalas yung resuliting sound. kaya kung bright sounding violin mo hanap ka ng bow na medyo mellow yung output and vice versa.
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PostSubject: Re: Buying a new bow   Wed Dec 22, 2010 10:23 am

rommelcamba wrote:
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I'm willing to help anyone choose a bow even if you're buying from someone else. magtext lang kayo.


OT pero can i just say that this is very generous of sir rommel and reveals his true character na gusto niya talagang makatulong. hindi business ang habol.
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PostSubject: Re: Buying a new bow   Wed Dec 22, 2010 10:31 am

hi sir rommel! :) bibili talaga ako ng pernambuco... next year. :) I'm using silver braided CF bow kasi from Yita (same price as your pernambuco).
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PostSubject: Re: Buying a new bow   Wed Dec 22, 2010 7:39 pm

Thank you ulit sir Rommel.

Buti na lang kay Sir Rommel ako bumili, impulsive buyer kasi ako, kukunin ko sana kaagad ung may silver plate sa "head" dahil kakaiba, pero talagang pina-try niya sa akin ung iba, kaya nauwi ako doon sa "regular looking bow" pero masaya talaga ako sa feel nito at pagtugtog. nawala ung mga screeching & scratching sound kahit least effort ang gawin ko mas enjoyable ngayon mag practice, hinde na ako babalik sa student bow pero iyun pa rin ang gagamitin ko sa lessons... hinde ko papahawak itong pernambuco sa instructor ko kekekekekekeke!

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PostSubject: Re: Buying a new bow   Wed Dec 22, 2010 8:47 pm

Thanks Sir Rommel for the additional info!

Yung teacher ko kasi may kilala siyang sellers, kaya sa kanya na ako nagpatulong, kasi hindi rin ako marunong pumili ng bow. Actually, hindi naman dapat pernambuco bibilhin ko, kaso sinuggest niya na kung kaya ko rin lang naman, it's better to invest early on good equipment.

Ayun, buti na lang sinundan ko tip niya, at maganda nga naman yung bow. Mas stable na ang bowing ko, hindi na yung nanginginig, at mas solid yung tunog. Wala na ngang screeching eh. Pero hindi ko pa rin madifferentiate physically yung pernambuco bow ko sa namayapa kong student bow, hehe.
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PostSubject: Re: Buying a new bow   Wed Dec 22, 2010 9:20 pm

RAd wrote:
Gah! Kailangan ko nga palang bumili rin ng bow next year...

o magvviolin ka na din next year??? haha.
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PostSubject: Re: Buying a new bow   Thu Dec 23, 2010 8:30 am

@Kuya Carl Sa tingin ko Ung Majical saw niya..
Este Musical Saw Pala! ahahah

Para Doon ung Bow..

@ Sir Rommel Magkano po ung Pernambuco Bow ninyo or
Kung may Snakewood? heheh.. Canvas muna po ako..
Di ako Satisfied sa Default Bow ko eh..

(eventhough Pinabibili na ako ni Teacher ko ng metronome ehehe..)
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PostSubject: Re: Buying a new bow   Thu Dec 23, 2010 8:34 am

@rommel,

I plan to buy pernambuco bow early next year. Do you have a new set of bows? Yun kasing dala mo pernambuco noon when I bought CF bow did not catch my interest, gusto ko sana kasi CF bow muna noon since meron na ko IPE.

By the way, how can we try it kasi diba wala pa rosin yung mga bow? Or will you bring one na meron na tapos yun ang itatry namin?
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PostSubject: Re: Buying a new bow   Thu Dec 23, 2010 12:17 pm

question lng po..... magkano po ung pinaka-affordable na bow??? i mmean ung mura po yat so-so quality...
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PostSubject: Re: Buying a new bow   Fri Dec 24, 2010 1:12 am

@jollyclay - pernambuco bows will not catch your interest because they almost look the same as with ordinary bows. those bows that you saw(only 1 left in that batch) are actually very good bows, otherwise orchestra members wouldn't bother trying and then buying them. you will only feel the huge difference as compared to ordinary bows when you play and try them one by one. I have other pernambuco bows like the one with silver tip might catch your interest but these silver fittings are just cosmetic things. I had two very good silver tipped bow and one gold fitted bow but those were sold a few hours after the bows arrived.
I have a new batch of pernambuco bows(62-63grams) arriving this january. The first batch was around 60grams. You can try all of them if you want.

pag wala pa rosin ang bow it only means wala pa nagtry sa bow na yun, and your not supposed to try only the bow that already has rosin on it but you have to try all the bows available. that is the only way you will know the difference of each bow.

@kanjiruminamoto - 7500 ang pernambuco bows ko. believe it or not 7500 is a very cheap price for a good pernambuco bow. When I started looking for a good pernambuco bow to buy for myself, the cheapest one I found was 15K and that was 10 years ago.
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PostSubject: Re: Buying a new bow   Fri Dec 24, 2010 7:28 am

Wow! Sige mag iipon na ako for that! heheh....
Unahin ko muna ung Utos ni Teacher..
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PostSubject: Re: Buying a new bow   Fri Dec 24, 2010 6:50 pm

@rommel

oks, text na lang kita sa january. Meron ba yung may gold/silver fittings? Mejo may pagkamaarte lang din kasi ako, gusto ko sana maarte din yung bow ko, haha.

Merry Christmas everyone!
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PostSubject: Re: Buying a new bow   Mon Dec 27, 2010 7:36 am

Ay! ahaha Mag iipon ako for the Bow, But If I Buy the Bow It will cost more than my Violin ahaha! XD
Grave!
My Violin is less than the cost of the bow XD heheh!

Oh Well I Still not Required to buy a New Violin
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PostSubject: Re: Buying a new bow   Sun Feb 20, 2011 11:07 pm

Waaah, gusto ko ng pernambuco!
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