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PostSubject: Temperature control   Temperature control EmptyTue Dec 28, 2010 10:45 am

Greetings PV and Happy new year.

Kakabalik ko lang galing Zambales, at napansin ko na parang numipis, tumigas at gumaspang ang tunog ni Yvette? naka Aircon kasi ung bahay ng ate ko dito sa bulacan, napaka lamig ngayon at pati si Yvette napakalamig din niya[ilang araw lang ako nawala] hinde na nag reresonate ung tunog + hinde rin nag vivibrate ung neck pag tinugtog!? parang tumigas siya???

Napansin ko din na nag wa-warm up ung mga scooter at kotse bago bumiyahe, talagang ang lamig ng panahon. ang ginawa ko nilabas ko ng bahay para maarawan ng saglit, mawala lang ung lamig ng kahoy, sinabayan ko na rin ng full bowing sa bawat strings, at iyun bumalik ung tono at parang naging flexible na naman siya[after 30 min]. ang tanong ba ay kung "Safe" ba ang ganitong gawain? Naka hardcase naman si Yvette at may foam sa loob pero lumamig pa rin?

So PV, anong ginagawa ninyo para ma maintain ang temperature ng violin ninyo para in shape ito pag nag play? built-in heater? chika he he he.

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PostSubject: Re: Temperature control   Temperature control EmptyFri Jan 14, 2011 9:50 pm

Hello :-)

I think we are very lucky that we live in a humid environment with little temperature fluctuations. Sa US especially sa nothern states, they have to be extra careful with their violins because of the season...extremes talaga. I heard some stories na nag crack yung violin nila dahil they forgot to humidify it in winter.

Yung aking room is in the attic so during summer months I store my instrument downstairs. my brother also does the same to his guitars...better to be safe than sorry. :-)
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PostSubject: Re: Temperature control   Temperature control EmptyFri Jan 14, 2011 10:55 pm

Noong kinausap ko yung luthier ko, sabi nya mas delikado sa stringed instruments ang humidity level kaysa sa temperature. Kasi sa temperature, basta na-acclimatize yung instrument, it should be no problem. Halimbawa, kung galing sa labas papasok sa isang kuwarto na naka-aircon, hwag ilabas kaagad ang instrument sa case. Maghintay muna ng mga 30 minutes bago magsimula. Tapos, hwag din i-store ang instruments sa masyadong mainit na lugar, like leaving it in an attic or the trunk of a car.

For humidity, sabi naman nya 50-60% is best. Sa Pilipinas, usually 60-80% ata ang humidity. I read somewhere that little bags of silica gel inside the case helps. Hindi ko pa lang nga nasubukan ito.

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PostSubject: Re: Temperature control   Temperature control EmptySat Jan 15, 2011 6:35 am

I use yung silica gel and it helps talaga. Usually when it's humid yung violin ko sounds unresponsive...parang sluggish.
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PostSubject: Re: Temperature control   Temperature control EmptyMon Jan 17, 2011 1:13 am

tlga so silica gel works like a charm?

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PostSubject: Re: Temperature control   Temperature control EmptyMon Jan 17, 2011 1:34 am

That's what I've read and heard. So start saving up those little packets of silica gel you find in medicine bottles. :D
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PostSubject: Re: Temperature control   Temperature control EmptyMon Jan 17, 2011 1:42 am

yup tska sa shoe boxes..kso wer should i put it im my case? ntatakot ako mglagay ng kung anu anu sa case baka ma panu c Rain.


pero sa iba na mayayaman, i saw a pack of silica gel selling in ace hardwares when im looking for a micro fiber cloth for rain
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PostSubject: Re: Temperature control   Temperature control EmptySat Jan 22, 2011 12:38 pm

@Fox: Meron sa Ace Hardware? Magkanu yung silica gel.

I read somewhere that silica gel needs to be recharged. Dunno if this is true but if it were true, how does one do it?

By the way, yung humidity inside my case reads 62% is this good? It's a very humid day right now in my city (Iloilo City). Usually I would know kung very high yung humidity kung nag kakamigraine ako (like right now) Temperature control 561370
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PostSubject: Re: Temperature control   Temperature control EmptySat Jan 22, 2011 6:39 pm

@ jantigercat: ini-init ulit ung mga silica, parang mina microwave yata o sinusunog[wag mo subukan]. para maging crystal ang itsura ulit. un nakaka absorb ulit ito ng moisture :D
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PostSubject: Re: Temperature control   Temperature control EmptySat Jan 22, 2011 7:22 pm

@Tal: microwave??? I'll try to look more into it. I hunted some silica gel from my ermat's shoe boxes...haha.
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PostSubject: Re: Temperature control   Temperature control EmptySat Jan 22, 2011 9:21 pm

Naks...Hindi gumagana yung oven namin. Temperature control 129807

Curious po ako if anyone here uses a thermometer for his/her violin case...
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PostSubject: Re: Temperature control   Temperature control EmptySat Jan 22, 2011 9:36 pm

@jan

hindi ko po napansin kung magkano ang silica gel sa Ace e.. pero im quite sure meron,

i dont think also na thermometer is very useful kase temperature lang kaya nito basahin, meron naman mga violin cases na may humidity meter na nakabuild-in, try mo nalang maghanap ng ganun case na mura,

@tal

talaga? oven? pero panu malalaman kung kailangan na ioven at kapag luto na un silica?
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PostSubject: Re: Temperature control   Temperature control EmptySat Jan 22, 2011 9:55 pm

@ Jantigercat: Baka masira ung microwave ninyo ^^; continuous high heat ang kailangan para maalis ang moisture nito.

my hygrometer ung violin ko na sumusukat ng humidity. noong December muntikan na umabot sa "Dry" ung arrow, kaya nilagyan ko ng wet sponge, para bumalik sa normal... ngayong tag init, malamang kakailanganin ko naman ng Silica ^^;

@ Fox: hinde na ito mukhang crystal, parang dull na at maitim yata ung surface[inamag na bigas], parang diamond ang kintab nito pag na recharge/luto na sa oven, natangal na kasi ulit ung moisture :D
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PostSubject: Re: Temperature control   Temperature control EmptySun Jan 23, 2011 6:53 am

@Fox: Yung case ko ngayon may hygrometer. Naprapraning ako pag nag fluctuate yung reading. Hehe... Curious ako how temperature affects the sound.

Will try to find out about the silica gel price in Ace when I'm in town.

@Tal: Oo nga. Baka mapagalitan ako ng aking nanay pagnasira yung microwave.

So summer na naman, hate ko talaga mag play kung summer. Ang lagkit ng hagin. Pawis and such.
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PostSubject: Re: Temperature control   Temperature control EmptySun Jan 23, 2011 10:19 am

@ jantigercat: Sa guitara ko lang ito napapansin, pag masyadong malamig ang panahon matinis ang tunog, pero pag masyadong mainit sabog ang tunog[hinde malinaw]

Ung violin ko hinde gaano responsive noong masyadong malamig, at parang ipit ang boses noong December dahil sa lamig. ngayon ayos siya, hinde ko lang alam pagdating ng tag-init at tag ulan ^^;
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PostSubject: Re: Temperature control   Temperature control EmptySun Jan 23, 2011 11:14 am

@ Tal: Last December, I needed to put more weight through my bow arm to make my violin sing. A little responsive talaga yung tunog but with little adjustment, you can make it sing. I'd prefer yung malamig na panahon as I have sweaty hands which is worsened by hot weather.

Umiinit na sa labas. Humidity level sa case ko around 66% Ok ba yun?
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PostSubject: Re: Temperature control   Temperature control EmptySun Jan 23, 2011 10:09 pm

30% to 50% ang range ng normal humidity. 60% mataas na iyan talaga. naku po wala ka bang aircondition diyan? ang tindi pala ng humid sa inyo!? kailangan mo na ng silica.

High humidity - napapahina nito ang glue ng stringed instrument lalo na kung animal glue, kasama na doon ang violin.

Low humidity - nag bibigay ng crack sa kahoy dahil nag shrink ito sa sobrang tuyo.
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PostSubject: Re: Temperature control   Temperature control EmptySun Jan 23, 2011 10:25 pm

Dag dag:

Experienced ko sa guitara:

Pag hinde well seasoned ang wood, nag wa warp ito, dahil sumasabay ito sa pag bago ng temperature at humidity. kaya ung karamihan ng mga local guitar, bumabaluktot ang leeg.

ung mga ibang lahi gumagamit wood-kilin para mapatuyo kaagad ang kahoy, kaya siguro ung mga imported na instruments kagaya ng yamaha ay hinde bumabaluktot[So far wala pa sa aking mga yamaha ang bumaluktot ^^;] pero sumisira daw ito ng tonal value ng kahoy?[debatable]

Humidity plus ung sweat ng kamay, at dahil wala pang varnish ang leeg ng violin, sa tingin ko ito ang dahilan kung bakit nagwa warp ito[baluktot] kaya kailangan ipa reset.
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PostSubject: Re: Temperature control   Temperature control EmptySun Jan 23, 2011 10:47 pm

isa rin kung bakit hindi bumabaluktot ang neck eh dahil sa truss rod. yung ibang guitars merong truss rod na parang spine ng neck.

naranasan ko dati bumili ng violin nung winter. tapos umuwi sa pinas april so summer na summer. parang cold to hot agad. tapos tanghali dumating kaya nainitan sa sasakyan. yung ilalim ng clamp ng chinrest nag smear ang varnish. pero na repair ko. gumamit ako ng super fine grit ng sandpaper tapos nilagyan ng rubbing compound. ang rubbing compound ay sumisingit sa mga scratches na gawa ng sand paper pero dahil sa super fine eh hindi mo na sya mapapansin. tapos binuff ko ng konti.

cuento naman ni mam liza, nasa tagaytay siya nun. tapos sobra ginaw. nabasa yung bridge. eh nag shshred pa naman sya sa violin kaya nagcollapse ang bridge nya.
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PostSubject: Re: Temperature control   Temperature control EmptySun Jan 23, 2011 11:20 pm

He he he akala ko na eh truss rod para sa violin ^^;

Yup, malamang iyan ang hard facts kung bakit hinde bumaluktot ung gig meister[yamaha] ko noong lumutang ito sa sapa he he he. pero meron kami na 60's na classic guitar na walang truss rod, at ung luma ko rin na classic guitar na yamaha at aria. ung 60's G50-A na yamaha[Nippon Gakki] namin malamang iyun talaga ang well seasoned na kahoy, kaya siguro hanggang ngayon hinde pa rin bumabaluktot.

* Jurusu may Scratch and swirl remover, gawa ng Turtle wax, nabili ko lang sa hardware o pang linis ng sasakyan. ito ang finishing touch ko pagkatapos ko gamitan ng sandpaper at rubbing compound ung mga guitara ko. and talagang daliri ang gamit ko sa rubbing compound para makasigurado na wala ng deep scratches ung surface.

Nakakatakot talaga kung ano ang puwedeng gawing ng panahon sa ating instrumento,
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PostSubject: Re: Temperature control   Temperature control EmptyMon Jan 24, 2011 12:13 am

Does anyone know kung saan nakakabuy ng humidity meter na hiwalay? or murang violin case na meron?
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PostSubject: Re: Temperature control   Temperature control EmptyMon Jan 24, 2011 12:22 am

@ fox: "Hygrometer" search mo sa sulit.com, meroon iyun mga 750petot ang pinakmura na nakita ko :D

EDIT: tingnan mo ito http://www.pinoyviolinist.com/t137-bow-fittings-shoulder-rest-rosin-violin-accessories may Hygrometer ung case na tinitinda ng friend ni cute worm.


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PostSubject: Re: Temperature control   Temperature control EmptyMon Jan 24, 2011 12:24 am

@TAL

haha Mahal pala tska nalang ipon pa ako para makapagenroll kay mam ellecee Temperature control 7079
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PostSubject: Re: Temperature control   Temperature control EmptyMon Jan 24, 2011 12:29 am

@ fox: Ang violin ay parang tao, kung saang kuwarto ka comfortable at hinde pinapawisan kahit butil habang nakaupo, doon mo ilagay ang violin mo. :D pero hinde ito katulad ng tao na puwedeng punasan ang sarili pag mataas ang humid o maligo pag nainitan ;)
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PostSubject: Re: Temperature control   Temperature control EmptyMon Jan 24, 2011 12:39 am

@tal

ou kita ko nga yan thread na yan., very tempting actually kase mura,, kaso hindrance ang financial capabilities ko right now, pero if ever man makaluwag luwag target ko talaga light weight hard case with enough room for accessories at other things.. kung meron mura haha
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PostSubject: Re: Temperature control   Temperature control EmptyMon Jan 24, 2011 12:48 am

@ Fox: Wait ka lang pala muna, baka meron diyan mag upgrade ng kanilang case at maibenta sa iyo ng mura o libre he he he.
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PostSubject: Re: Temperature control   Temperature control EmptyMon Jan 24, 2011 12:51 am

@Tal
haha talaga may nangyayaring ganun? haha tal salamat maraming salamat sa case na pamamana mo. Temperature control 232803

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PostSubject: Re: Temperature control   Temperature control EmptyMon Jan 24, 2011 1:15 am

Napaka aga naman niyan o!? he he he tingnan natin, nasira na kasi ung handle ng fiberglass ko, pag nakakuha na ako ng kapalit, baka, pero no promise pa muna, hinde ko hawak ang bukas. :D
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Sige sige,,dadakmain lang ang bukas Temperature control 74395
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PostSubject: Re: Temperature control   Temperature control EmptyTue Jan 25, 2011 12:47 pm

Gusto ko sana bumili ng hygrometer. Kaya lang uunahin ko na muna siguro ang bagong bow. Or ano bang dapat ko talagang unahin?
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PostSubject: Re: Temperature control   Temperature control EmptyTue Jan 25, 2011 4:02 pm

fuyustale wrote:
Gusto ko sana bumili ng hygrometer. Kaya lang uunahin ko na muna siguro ang bagong bow. Or ano bang dapat ko talagang unahin?

Indicator lang naman ang Hygrometer. kaya mo naman pakiramdaman iyan, pag hinde ka comfortable sa humid & temperature, ibig sabihin noon naghihirap na rin ung situasyon ng violin mo.

Sa magandang bow & case ka mag invest, kahit ung foam na casing ay maganda na para sa protection ng instrumento mo laban sa temp & humid change. magandang insulator ng temperature ang styro, kaya iyan pa rin ang ginagamit :D
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PostSubject: Re: Temperature control   Temperature control EmptyTue Jan 25, 2011 6:00 pm

^Thanks so much TalBlaiser! I feel so stupid man!
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fuyustale wrote:
^Thanks so much TalBlaiser! I feel so stupid man!

Hinde ah, sobra ka naman. Kailangan din talaga ang hygrometer, sooner or later bibili ka parin nito, lalo na pag napamahal ka na ng husto sa instrumento mo[para sa instruments lang ito]. pero IMO, mas importante ang comfort ng player, kaya sa magandang bow muna para ma enjoy ang instrument at mas tumatag ang bonding ^^;

In anycase nandidiyan ang mga luthier, kung sakali kailangan ipa ayos ang instruments :D
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PostSubject: Re: Temperature control   Temperature control EmptyTue Jan 25, 2011 7:25 pm

^Thanks! I mean I still need to learn an awful lot about my violin. We're starting to bond really well but I still got a long way to go. Thanks so much for being helpful.
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PostSubject: Re: Temperature control   Temperature control EmptyThu Jan 27, 2011 9:40 pm

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@jan

hindi ko po napansin kung magkano ang silica gel sa Ace e.. pero im quite sure meron,

@Fox: pumunta ako kanina sa Ace. Wala silang sila gel. :-(

I will go to another Ace Hardware branch tomorrow. Yung humidity level right now sa case ko is 68%. Nakakatakot!
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PostSubject: Re: Temperature control   Temperature control EmptyThu Jan 27, 2011 10:58 pm

@ jantigercat: Table salt, malakas din ito mag absorb ng humidity, maglagay ka ng negative canister[bukas] pag hinde kasya, magbalot ka sa manipis na panyo sabay ilagay mo sa loob ng case ng violin mo.

Try mo, kailangan maramihan, kasi hinde kasing lakas ito ng silica.

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PostSubject: Re: Temperature control   Temperature control EmptyFri Jan 28, 2011 2:23 am

@Jan

sa Moa branch ako ng ace nakakita nun yun naghahanap ako ng micro fiber na cloth
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PostSubject: Re: Temperature control   Temperature control EmptyFri Jan 28, 2011 6:05 am

I read somewhere that rice is a good moisture absorber.. Will try it. :-)
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PostSubject: Re: Temperature control   Temperature control EmptyFri Jan 28, 2011 8:10 am

^ actually its yes. rice is a good absorber of moisture, kase may nabasa ako sa yahoo na if may gadgets ka nahulog sa tubig ilubog mo lang daw sa rice ng mga isang araw or so. kung gumana ule edi pwede pa.. but for violin case parang kailangan mo ata mas madami rice para mapalitan niya ang bisa ng silica gel.
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PostSubject: Re: Temperature control   Temperature control EmptyFri Jan 28, 2011 8:54 am

jantigercat wrote:
I read somewhere that rice is a good moisture absorber.. Will try it. :-)

Ingat lang sa amag/fungi, energy source & carbohydrates ang bigas :D baka pa "dry clean" mo pa ang buong case pag may tumubo ^^;
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PostSubject: Re: Temperature control   Temperature control EmptyFri Jan 28, 2011 7:24 pm

@tal: Haha... at baka tumaba tumaba yung violin ko.

@Fox: Mahal yung bigas ngayon so I had used a handful lang. Well, di nga handful. Nag ingat ako na di makita ng aking ermats na kinukuha yung bigas. Patay ako pag nakita.

Humidity inside my case is around 68%. Humidity outside the house is around 86%.

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PostSubject: Re: Temperature control   Temperature control EmptySat Jan 29, 2011 1:16 am

@Jan
haha ganun? sabihin mo sa nanay mo "Nay wala to nagtatanim lang ako para may kakainin tayo" ='p
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PostSubject: Re: Temperature control   Temperature control EmptySat Jan 29, 2011 5:48 am

aahahaha ang kukulet niyo ~_______~ baka pag tingin ko sa vioin eh may ulam naren! Magkakaubusan na ng bigas neto LOL
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PostSubject: Re: Temperature control   Temperature control EmptySat Jan 29, 2011 6:51 am

Nabasa ko yung post ni Talblaiser.

Hindi ba nag warp violin mo? kasi binilad mo sa araw. Nag wawarp yun eh lalo na pag basang basa yung kahoy.
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PostSubject: Re: Temperature control   Temperature control EmptySat Jan 29, 2011 8:19 am

@ Jurusu ou nga kakabasa ko lang din ng Post ni TalBlaiser
napaisip din ako na baka nag warp ung Violin niya,

@ all
Wood Abilities
in cold Climates or Temperatures Wood Contracts in Relation to cold
>kaya parang naging Stiff all over ang Violin mo Tal

Hot or High Temperatures Result to Expansion of Wood in Relation
on How High the Temperature is..


Kung baga pag malamig nagsisiksikan ang Grains ng wood
at pag Mainit Lumuluwang upang lumamig or makahinga
ang Grains ng Wood

Kaya naisip namin na Baka Nag Warp ung Violin mo
dahil mula sa Airconditioned Room Inilabas mo at pinaarawan
ung Violin mo... Temperature control 406424

at ang alam ko mayroong Weather Proof na Violin Cases na mabibili

@Jurusu Diba weather Proof yang Case mo ung Lagi mong Bitbit?

tapos ung Hygrometer try nyung bumili sa "Raon,Hidalgo" sa mga Camera Shops doon
may mga binebenta silang Hygrometer na inilalagay sa bag ng camera or sa
Storage box ng camera,

<<< ako
nasa ilalim lang ng kama ko ung violin kasi
pag mainit sa kuwarto malamig nmn sa ilalim ng Kama
at pag malamig sa Kuwarto, Tama lang ung init o temperature sa ilalim ng kama
heheheh Temperature control 164824
un lang tumatabi ung Pusa ko sa Ilalim kasama ung Violin Temperature control 702491
feeling niya ata Violin rin siya...
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PostSubject: Re: Temperature control   Temperature control EmptySat Jan 29, 2011 4:07 pm

He he he, tinapos na kaagad ni president ung usapan, nabanggit na niya ung ulam. :D

@ jurusu: Ay hinde ^^; hinde nabasa ung violin ko, binilad ko lang ito kasi napaka lamig ng kahoy, nagbaka sakali na pag nabawasan ang lamig e maging responsive ulit :D

ung guitar ko ang nabasa dati ^^;
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PostSubject: Re: Temperature control   Temperature control EmptySun Jan 30, 2011 1:19 am

^buti wala nangyari sa violin mo, dapat ginawa mo iniwan mo siya sa room temperature hindi itatapat agad sa araw. kaya siguro malamig kasi may moisture sa kahoy ng violin mo at nagreact sa lamig ng lugar.
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PostSubject: Re: Temperature control   Temperature control EmptySun Jan 30, 2011 1:44 am

@ fox: hinde naman. ang moisture kadalasan ay nasa humidity, minsan delikado ang malamig na temperature dahil tuyo/dry ito... malapit na sa dry ung guage ng hygrometer ko. Cold & dry ang weather dito noong december, nag bitak bitak nga ang labi ko eh :D

Kadalasan sa mga desert area Hot & dry, pero sa tropical area kagaya ng Philippines Wet & Hot.
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PostSubject: Re: Temperature control   Temperature control EmptySun Jan 30, 2011 2:00 am

^pres, tama ba un ginawa ni tal na binilad? wala ba effect sa violin un?
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