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Hello PV.

So I was just thinking, I believe a violin usually have Ebony or Boxwood for a nut? What about using horns or bones instead? how does it affect the sound of your violin?

I am thinking of buying walrus or mammoth ivory[Elephant is out of my options, pero kung meron dito nagtitinda mas OK!] and have it carved by our local luthier for my violin.

Inputs and comments are greatly appreciated.

Thank you.

EDIT: Ano ang feeling ng ibang violinist diyan? may PETA ba na Violinist? maya maya offensive na pala sa kanila ang violin na may accessories na gawa sa hayop?

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@ Tal Kasi ung Ivory mas Madulas at mas Matigas Kaysa sa Wood Nuts
Sa tingin ko Tatagal ung Strings dun sa Ivory, Maganda rin Siguro ung Sound
Since Matagal na ring Ginagamit ang Ivory sa musical instrument...

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Tal,

Ivory used to be popular mas matigas/matibay kasi. Kaso may ban sa kanya. Mammoth ivory pa pwede. Ebony is hard as well kaya sya ang popular choice ngayon.


Kailangan ng matigas at matibay na material sa Nut kasi may direct contact sa Strings. Mas malambot na wood, less durable.
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Thank you!

So talagang puwede pa ito, akala ko kasi hinde na ganun ka effective sa violin kaya sa mga lumang instrument ko lang nakikita ung ivory.

Legal sa America ung mga elephant ivory na tinitinda nila, kaso hinde puwede ipadala sa ibang bansa... kinoconfiscate nila pag palabas na ng America. Kaya Mammoth at Walrus[mas mahal ito] ang tanging options ko. Kaso mga guitar nuts ang tinitinda nila talaga, pero meron silang customized, papa cut pa ako sa kanila para sa violin.

Kanji sobra ka naman, "Nuts" ang sinabi ko at hinde itlog kekekekekeke! sama mo chineck ko ulit ung links at baka ung dina download ko ung nabigay ko haw haw! kakahiya ^^;
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@ Tal Heto kaya ung Tinutukoy ko! ahaha!
Lols!

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mas Madulas at mas Matigas Kaysa sa Wood Nuts
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buwahaha!

Mas mahal nga ang Mamoth Ivory Pero Accessible nmn Kasi
Hindi Against sa WWF or World Wildlife Foundation!
Kaso Against naman sa mga Archeologist! ahaha! Pero Not too Much!

Maron nga akong nakita sa Yita na Violin Bow na ung Frog,Adjusting Screw at ung sa head ay Gawa sa Mamoth Ivory!! angganda! Grabee! ahaha
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Hi to all,

Back when I was still actively collecting guitars, I used to change all of the nuts and bridges on my guitars to bone. I would buy the nut blanks and the bridge blanks made from bone material at JB Music store. I don't know if they still sell the stuff, but I had to shape the things using a hacksaw, various files and sandpaper of very fine grits, but I usually got good results. The bone would make the guitar sustain even more, and there was always an unmistakeable change in the tone.

I think the material would be good for making violin nuts...

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@ cube.root.sam: Thank you!

baka maisipan mo magpa install ng bone, pasabay ako ha, sa JB meron silang bone? meron kaya sila para sa violin ang kapal ng nut :D
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Hi to all,

Back when I was still actively collecting guitars, I used to change all of the nuts and bridges on my guitars to bone. I would buy the nut blanks and the bridge blanks made from bone material at JB Music store. I don't know if they still sell the stuff, but I had to shape the things using a hacksaw, various files and sandpaper of very fine grits, but I usually got good results. The bone would make the guitar sustain even more, and there was always an unmistakeable change in the tone.

I think the material would be good for making violin nuts...

Cube

Tingin ko, best material pa rin ang paggamit ng hard wood (like ebony) para sa nut.. I havent seen any good sounding violins or master models that contain bone nuts.. Most of them are mostly made of wood..
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Hi Tal,

Here's a couple of links where the nut used on the violin was made from Ivory and/or bone:
http://orgs.usd.edu/nmm/Violins/Ficker/10735/FickerViolin.html
http://orgs.usd.edu/nmm/Exhibitions/BeethovenBerlioz/BBChanot.html

As to having a bone nut fitted to your violin, I have to mention that the material is quite hard and dense. The size of the nut is more or less equivalent to the width of the classical guitar neck at the point where it meets the headstock, so when I would fit a nut to a classical guitar, I would only have to file off part of the nut. However, since most of the guitars that I fitted these bone blanks to were steel string guitars, I had to use a hack saw to cut off the remainder, and files to shape the nut. Sobrang tigas ng material na ito, it would take me 45 minutes to an hour sometimes just to cut the nut and shape it with files and sandpaper.

I would not know if Mang Angel or Sir Amador would have the patience to work with this material, as it does take a lot of time shaping it. Baka they will charge accordingly hehehe...

I will be going to JB Music store one of these days, balitaan kita if I find some of those bone blanks. One nut would probably fit two violins. I also remember I had a few nut blanks that did not fit when I shaped them, I might have a few of these lying around.



Hi Cute Worm,

As to how a violin with a bone nut would sound, I can only guess din. BUt since it is quite dense, like ebony, the effect should be similar, if not better. It will definitely be harder to wear it down, and I think it will last longer than the ebony. Mind you, they do use ebony on classical guitars too, but I still have to hear a guitar fitted with an ebony nut.

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@ cube.root.sam: ikaw lang mag iinstall? gusto ko rin, kaso natatakot ako sa Violin, naka dikit kasi ung nut, sa guitar ilang nut na ang tinangal ko gamit lang ay kahoy[chisel shape] at rolling pin he he he, pero kung nakabili ka, bilhin ko na lang ung kalahati sa iyo kung puwede :D

Try rin ako maghanap dito ng bones or sungay, ang mahal kasi nang walrus ivory. sayang lang kung hinde magigiging maganda ang resulta ^^;
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pwede kaya sungay ng kalabaw or buto ng aso? yung mga ganung tipo. haha...

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@ li0nh3a12t: Alam ko ung sungay ng kalabaw puwede, ginamit ko na iyun sa guitara dati, nabawasan ang pagka tinis ng guitara, lumambot at may kakaibang resonance kumpara sa plastic na nut at saddle. he he he ilang araw ko tsinaga sa liha ^^; sana sa mismong buto na lang ako nag tiyaga.

Ung sa aso ang hinde ko alam, malamang masyadong payat ang buto nito para makakuha ng kailangan mo na laki para sa nut ^^; or maliit lang naman ung violin nut, baka puwede makakuha nga, kaso hinde ko alam kung ano ang kalalabasan ng tunog.
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@Tal,

Nabanggit na dati ni Mang Anghel yun ... during our first visit....

his shop was once "searched'' kasi nagsuspecha ang mga Animal Activist groups thingy na nagamit si Mang Anghel ng Ivory for the Nut and Saddle....

Historically, there used to be lots of Ivory floating around.... it's one of the luxuries luthiers used to adorn their instruments. Before the later half of the 1600s mas mahirap mahagilap ang Ebony. Stainer only used Full Ebony finger boards in his later works.

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Nakita ko Itong Bow sa Site ni Yita mejo matagal na rin...
At gusto ko Siyang Bilhin,
Gawa siya sa mammoth ivory at angganda ganda niya! Wooden Nut Vs. Varieties [With Pictures] 74395
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Hi Kanji,

Ganda nga no? Kaso, pag nag ship dito, di ka kaya sitahin sa customs? Ivory pa rin kasi yan eh...

Mag Carbon fiber or Pernambuco na lang tayo kay Rommel Camba hehe

Just concerned dre, mahirap na...

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EDITED: ayaw ko mang demonyo dito he he he he!


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@ Cube.root. It Depends Kasi Wala namang Wild Elephants sa atin eh..
at Kung mapatunayan ngang Mammoth ivory mukha nmng Walang Kaso un
Kasi Extinct na ung Mammoth diba?
and I think Wala namang Batas na nag babawal ng
pag exploit ng Parts ng Extinct Animal?
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Kanji,

the problem is wala nanang proof na mammoth ivory yun.... there is a world wide ban on Elephant Ivory.... may point si Cube. And when they check it, it is still Ivory.... unless may kakilala kayong taga Customs or expert ng ''ways ng customs'' kung iho-honor ba nila ang declaration na "mammoth ivory".... it's hard to tell. :-/

Bone nalang ... hehe....
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@ baroqueviolin: Paano nila chinecheck ang ivory? may detector ba? kung sakali nakakuha ako ng ivory, ipapahamak kaya ako ng mga luthier dito sa pinas? "Si Tal meron ivory, hulihin siya!"

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@Tal

ahahahahaha.... no no i mean i'm sure they will not betray you ... ano ka ba :)))))

pero i don't know how they can tell if it's Elephant ivory or Mammoth ivory... wala naman siguru sila pangtest ng Radio Carbon DAting thingy ..... o_O

i just think it's risky.... unless you or have someone else s****** it.... ;)
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He he he, takot ako kalikutin ang violin, kaya sa luthier talaga ako mag papagawa :D

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may tyahing ako taga Hawaii.... nag uwi sa kanila ng buto ng santol galing Pampanga... :))))

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Bakit bawal magdala ng santol sa hawaii?

New Topic:

Ano ang feeling ng ibang violinist diyan? may PETA ba diyan na Violinist? maya maya offensive na pala sa kanila ang violin na may accessories na gawa sa hayop?
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hmmm for me po mga sir, mas ok na magkeep sa wooden at kung san original gawa ang violin, para po mapreserve natin ang special characteristic ng violin. isipin natin na parang tao ang mga violin kapag tinangalan ang tao ng buto at pinalitan ng bakal diba ang pakiramdam natin na hindi na tayo yun, what i mean is iba na tayo sa mismong tayo nung ipinanganak,, para din po un uniqueness at individuality sa ibang string instruments at sa kapwa violins, opinion ko lang po. Wooden Nut Vs. Varieties [With Pictures] 35449
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may mga baroque violins na Ivory talaga ang saddle at nut.... ^_^
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@ Fox: first... wag ka mag sir sa akin, pareho lang tayong amateur he he he.

OK, nakikita ko ung point of view mo. pero tingnan mo rin ung POV namin, actually, beautification at level-up ang goal namin, sa violin ang nut at fingerboard ay parang strings, bridge, tail piece, end pin & pegs, talagang napapalitan ito lalo na pag nag worn out na. IMO ang iniingatan talaga sa violin ay ung mismong neck at body nito. kaya nga pag bandang body at neck ang nasira, eh kinakabit pa rin ito ng luthier, pero kung nut at finger board pinapalitaan na kaagad.

Sabihin na natin na extravagant/luho na ang pag palit ng nut, lalo na kung usable pa rin ito, pero ganyan ko pinapakita kung gaano ko binibigyan ng halaga ang instruments ko, I just want the best for them, pero iba ang taglay ng bones at tusk kumpara sa kahoy, na experience ko na iyun sa guitar. at kagaya ng sabi ni Cube, wala pa kami nakitang guitara na may ebony para sa nut nito, pero may nakita na akong nut na gawa sa kahoy, pero sa mga chipipay[homemade] na guitara ko lang iyun nakita. naka reserve yata ang mga bones at tusk sa mga advance guitar... maliban ung Rodriguez Guitar[12k-15k] naka bone sila kaagad kumpara sa mga Yamaha at iba pang brand.
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@Baroque at Tal

Ohh.. hindi ko po alam yun e.. haha pero i mean po yun mismong original na type of violin po.. kung san po gawa ang specific violin po example wood violin -> bone violin.. ok po sana kung wood violin then uupgrade mo lang din po sa same na wood parts..

i didnt mean to offend anyone.. just sharing my point of view and also i understand your point of view, parang violin it as its own individuality..
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@Fox

don't worry. I don't think there's anything offensive sa post mow.... ^_^V

Eto yung Nut ng Violin ni Paganini ...
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More info sa Violin nya dito ---> http://www.pinoyviolinist.com/t498-october-2010-guarnerius-del-gesu-il-cannone
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@ fox: Uy! ikaw naman o, hinde ka naman nakaka offend, nag she share lang tayo dito :D

Sentimental ka talaga :D ako rin kaya nasa akin pa rin ung mga bridge ng violin ko, hinde ko tinatapon.

Minsan kasi, kailangan mo rin ng changes sa instrument mo, kagaya niyan pag pina set up mo ung violin mo, baka palitan ung bridge at sound post ^^; pag may changes "for the better" dapat, accessorize lang ito. Siyempre gusto mo rin mag improve ang appearance & sound ng instruments mo... plus support na rin natin iyun sa ating mga luthier :D

Search mo si willie nelson, bumili lang siya ng Martin N-20 guitar si "trigger" parang advance guitar lang ito, pero pina ayos niya ito para ma meet ang kanyang requirements sa pag tugtog[na inlove siya sa guitara na iyun] puwede naman siya bumili ng pro o master guitar.

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butas na si trigger ngayon[sa tagal], pero ito pa rin ang kanyang ginagamit at matatapos daw ang career niya sa oras na bumigay na si trigger ^^;

In short, We give the best to our instruments. lalo na ung pinakamahal natin... we are just buying them jewelries :D
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ADDITION:

Ano ang ibig ko sabihin kay Willie & Trigger? si Trigger[MN-20] ginawa siya para sa mga advance student, pero pina modified siya ni Willie para maging pang pro.

Ilang strad na lang ang meron na original na parts nito, the rest ay dumaan na sa modification ng mga luthier na humawak at nag restore sa kanila.

For worst ba? no, for the better. kung gaganda pa ang instrumento mo, de bigay mo ang magagawa mo para gumanda ito. :D
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@baroque
buto ba talaga yan nut na yan?

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haha wala lang inlove na ako sa rain ko e.. gusto ko kapag papalitan ng yun wood nut nito gusto ko wood padin pero kagaya nga ng sabi niyo upgraded.. kaysa Ebony wood try ko Nara wood haha para pinoy Wooden Nut Vs. Varieties [With Pictures] 232803

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haha talagang bang natugtog pa yan guitara niya? haha naiimagine ko tuloy may second voice yun guitara niya
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Fox,

Elephant Tusk (Ivory) talaga sya ... Ang Nut at Saddle ng Violin noong 1500s - 1780s (to 1790s)... either Ebony gaya ng karamihang Violin ngayon .... or Ivory. Wooden Nut Vs. Varieties [With Pictures] 408621
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@ fox :

Eto



Gumagana pa rin ng maayos, pang country lang nga ang tunog he he he.

Well imbes na narra, ung kamagong na lang kaya, alam ko iyan ang ebony ng Pinas :D

Pero try ka rin ng varieties, iyan ang uniqueness ng bawat instruments, hinde lang sa accessories, maski ung strings, marami dito iba ibang brand combination ang nakakabit sa kanilang violin. hahanapin mo kasi kung ano ang magpapaganda sa instrument mo, lalo na ang violin, napaka-arte niyan ^^; kaya ung iba pag may nakita na opportunity masubukan ang isang bagay, talagang gina-grab nila iyun. With experience you learn more :D
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@Baroque

ohhh.. kaso bawal na ang elephant ivory.. kung pde nga lang chicken bone nalang lagay e.

@Tal

haha TAMA!!

kamagong? hindi ako pamiliyar dun. pero pwede din.. Nara Body at finger board, then yun iba kamagong.. yun nut chicken bone.. yun bow ko Nara + Buhok ni sadako..

tama nga tinatamaan na ako ng pagkaadik..

kahit ako gusto ko din matry as many as possible na pwede sa violin,, pero syempre hindi ko ioover ang pagtry kung ikakasira na ni Rain.
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sa tingin ko, against lang yung peta sa pag gamit ng ivory dahil maraming markets ang kini-cater neto karamihan pa elites at businesses (isama mo pa ang black market), so meaning the higher the demand sa ivory... maraming kakatayin para lang sa buto na marami namang alternative..

kung ako, magcculture na ang ako ng walrus (ba yun?) at magkkaroon ako ng ivory farm! buwahaha Wooden Nut Vs. Varieties [With Pictures] 19586 kung legal naman..

siguro naman sa technology natin ngayun may safe na paraan na ang pagextract ng ivory no? pero kung wala... edi walrus meat na sila. mag susupply na lang ako ng walrus meat sa mga restaurant plus ivory kay Tal at sa mga may gusto sa PVees :)) tpos pag sobrang yaman ko na papagawa ako ng violin, ALL ivory!

ayun so nonsense na yung pinagttype ko, sorry sorry!

Fox: para sakin, ikaw bilang violinist ang nagbibigay ng individuality sa violin mo kasi hindi yun magiging inherent sa violin mo (mahirap yun magulat ka nalang magsalita yan), kung tutuusin magkalapit lang kayo ng sinasabi ni Tal IMO, tulad nga ng sabi mo gusto mo ma-retain yung unique trait ng violin (thus, i think, implies it's invididuality). Si Tal naman ay parang dinadamitan lang yung violin nya, same 'person' pero with a bang naman daw Wooden Nut Vs. Varieties [With Pictures] 149313

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@Kuya ROn/ Baroqueviolin hmmm.. May point kayo, pero meron kaya sila
Espesiyalista sa mga ganitong Bagay? Katulad ng parang Arkeyolohiyo
Kasi Madali lang daw Malaman ang Kaibahan ng Mammoth Ivory sa Elephant Ivory
napanood ko po kasi sa Nat Geo ung mga Wild Life Activist sa China na Nag Checheck
na In-Dangered Species Product at ang Main Concern is Tiger Products ang Elephant Products,

And heto ung isa pang Article na nag papatunay na Madaling malaman ung pinagkaibahan
ng Dalawa,

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Tapos heto nmn kung Paano Ma Identify by Schreger lines in the ivory
Kayo na bahala kung maniniwala kayo sa method...
ung Schreger Lines nga pala ay ung Identifying Lines sa Ivory
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@Fox Actually Pag Dating sa elephant Ivory (mejo natatawa ako) Kasi
Pag ung Ivory Sculpture ay Ginawa before magkaroon ng batas sa pag
Babawal ng Pag gamit ng Elephant Ivory ay parang hindi ka mahuhuli or
hindi ito Illegal nang ibenta.. XD
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Nag Research ako! Lols Grabee.. Wooden Nut Vs. Varieties [With Pictures] 886634
Malalaman nmn ung Age ng Elephant ivory, Relative
sa Age ng Art work.
Kaya kung sinabi ng Dealer na ung Artpiece na gawa sa Ivory
Ay ginawa Way before ung Batas
doon na papasok ung pag Tetest..
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ang Makakalusot lang siguro ung mga Violins ni Paganini
ahahaha!

and Narra for Finger board?

Mabigat ang Narra! heto ngang Table ng Computer ko na maliit
ay hirap na akong Buhatin kasi Gawa sa Narra! at Parang
Wala namang Tonal Value ang narra..
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Ou nga pala ang PAsok sa mga Bawal Gamiting Ivory ay
Elephant- Weather African or Asian Elephant
Narwhal A.K.A. Unicorn Whale (angganda Sobra ng ivory ng Narwhal! Pero Kailangang
Iconserve ang Wild Life!)
Note: Dati ang Ivory ng Narwhal ay Mas mahal pa kaysa sa Ivory ng Elepante
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Ngayon Gumagamit parin ng Narwhal Ivory Pero
kaialangan May Permit at May Regulation sa batas na dapat Sundin

Hippopotamus Ivory- May condition sa pag gamit ehh..
parang Kailangang permit ang isang Sculpture or Artist
Sa paggamit neto at may Ways kung anong hippo Ivory
ang Dapat Gamitin

Ganoon Din sa Walrus Tusks
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Kanji,

surely hindi to pagkaaksayahan ng panahon ng Customs natin... :))))
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Kanji,

surely hindi to pagkaaksayahan ng panahon ng Customs natin... :))))

Exactly! an ivory is an ivory is an ivory. kahit sabihin ito ay mammoth, may sapat na rason na sila para mag confiscate at magbenta sa black market he he he.

Maliban pag may kakilala ka sa customs, makakalusot ka talaga.
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@ Fox: ung kamagaong ay ung kahoy ng mabolo, kahit saan yata meron ka makikita he he he. kaya nga magtanong ka muna bago mag perform ng changes sa violin at hinde ka sigurado.

Pag accessories lang ng violin okay lang pag experimentuhan, pero kung tungkol na sa mismong body ng violin at varnish, iwan na natin iyun sa professionals.

@ pendongpish: sige ba, mas mahal kaya ang Walrus kesa sa Elephant at mammoth ivory. bihira lang ito at kadalasan ung mga matatandang walrus ang puwedeng pakinabangan dahil ito ang malaki ang tusk. kadalasan maliliit lang.
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naisip ko lng po.... since napaguusapan ung ivory, pwede kayang substitute ung adobe since matibay naman sya, at mas maraming supply..... or teeth.... Wooden Nut Vs. Varieties [With Pictures] 74395
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Adobe, ung bato ba? he he he ginawa mo naman cavemen fashion ung violin, ung teeth naman ay masyadong maliit.

Ideal talaga ung mga buto at sungay ng baka/kalabaw/buffalo/ox, ginagamit talaga sa mga musical instruments. iniisip ko nga baka mas okay ang buto ng elephante o balyena :D
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Adobe, ung bato ba? he he he ginawa mo naman cavemen fashion ung violin, ung teeth naman ay masyadong maliit.

Ideal talaga ung mga buto at sungay ng baka/kalabaw/buffalo/ox, ginagamit talaga sa mga musical instruments. iniisip ko nga baka mas okay ang buto ng elephante o balyena :D


well, naisip ko lng, density and strength wise, matibay naman ang adobe, i think it could be a better substitute for the ivory, i dont know if someone has used it for musical instruments as a nut 9especially for violin)...... ung sa teeth naman, since madali lng hanapin, matibay din [dahil bone din sya...], well, maliit lng naman din ang nut ng violin, naisip ko magagawan nmn ng paraan na i-merge ung teeth sa wood or a more denser material kasi per string naman ang kelangan.... or better yet pagdikitdikitin...


for me, naiisip ko lng naman kasi na concept for the nut is kelangan matigas ung material na gagamitin [not so sure with the tonal effect of the materials i suggested...]


kung pwede gamitin ung ivory, pede rin cguro ung ngipin/bone ng any other animal... In my opinion lng po ah...... since banned nga po ung ivory....


saka anu po meron [not being rude po ah?] sa buto ng elepante o balyena? bone structure namn po ung dalawa just like any other animals???
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clowreed11 wrote:
TalBlaiser wrote:
Adobe, ung bato ba? he he he ginawa mo naman cavemen fashion ung violin, ung teeth naman ay masyadong maliit.

Ideal talaga ung mga buto at sungay ng baka/kalabaw/buffalo/ox, ginagamit talaga sa mga musical instruments. iniisip ko nga baka mas okay ang buto ng elephante o balyena :D


well, naisip ko lng, density and strength wise, matibay naman ang adobe, i think it could be a better substitute for the ivory, i dont know if someone has used it for musical instruments as a nut 9especially for violin)...... ung sa teeth naman, since madali lng hanapin, matibay din [dahil bone din sya...], well, maliit lng naman din ang nut ng violin, naisip ko magagawan nmn ng paraan na i-merge ung teeth sa wood or a more denser material kasi per string naman ang kelangan.... or better yet pagdikitdikitin...


for me, naiisip ko lng naman kasi na concept for the nut is kelangan matigas ung material na gagamitin [not so sure with the tonal effect of the materials i suggested...]


kung pwede gamitin ung ivory, pede rin cguro ung ngipin/bone ng any other animal... In my opinion lng po ah...... since banned nga po ung ivory....


saka anu po meron [not being rude po ah?] sa buto ng elepante o balyena? bone structure namn po ung dalawa just like any other animals???

Hinde dahil matigas ang isang bagay ay magandang material para gamitin sa pag channel ng sounds. mukhang maliit lang ang nut, pero may contribution ito sa paglipat ng sound from strings to body ng instrument.

So bakit may specific type of bone na pipiliin? dahil sa dense/siksik o compact nito. mas dense mas maganda, siyempre hinde ka kukuha ng porous o masyadong butas butas at mahinang klase ng buto, hinde gaano mag ta travel ang sound dito. mag plastic ka na lang[kadalasan ginagamit sa mga guitar.]

Whale or elephant bone? mas malaki ang hayop mas malaki ang dense bone nito dahil mabigat ang dinadala/Support. pag naging mahina ang buto ng mga ito de nagkabali bali na diba.
EDIT: napansin ko ito sa aming Zoology Taxonomy, habang lumalaki ang hayop/species mas makapal at siksik ang buto.

Finally bakit ivory?
Class, ornamental and elegance. but not necessarily the best... just plain prestige :D
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well, naisip ko lng, density and strength wise, matibay naman ang adobe, i think it could be a better substitute for the ivory

Pendong!!! No Musical Quality ang Adobe Since
Bato siya Ginagamit lang siya sa Architectural
and Sculpting kasi doon lang siya nababagay!

at kung gagamitin sa Nut or Saddle ng Violin
sa nut- Masisira lang ung Strings, Pang hilod kaya un!
sa Saddle- mapuputol din ung Tailchord or gut!
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Mababaliw ako sa pinag iisip mo!

Hindi siya Katulad ng Alabaster na May musical Quality
(Kahit na madaling mabasg ung Alabaster na isa sa precious Stones)

Hindi kasi kayang mag resonate ng sound ang Adobe
at ung Structure niya or component ay para lang sa matagalang
architectures and sculptures..
Imaginin mong may Semento ung Violin mo hindi ka kya mailang
or mairita?
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