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PostSubject: Extreme Newbie: Which violin to buy?   Extreme Newbie: Which violin to buy? EmptySat Feb 19, 2011 7:33 pm

Hello po. mega-newbie po ako, pero extremely interested sa violin. plan ko po bumili ng violin pero after my research, mas maganda pala yung may opinion ng mga marunong na. so ayun nga po.

nabasa ko na para sa mga beginners ito yung mga brands: bachendorff, cremona, mozart, schindler
pero sabi ng dad ko mag canvass daw ako ng yamaha, pero parang wala naman nakabanggit around here na maganda yun for beginners. so ano ang masa-suggest niyo? nasa 8k po ang budget ko for the violin. plan ko rin po mag lessons kaya lang siguro after makapag settle na ako sa work.

i'm also from Batangas so kung may alam po kayo na bilihan dito ng violin maliban sa SM, makatutulong po talaga.

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PostSubject: Re: Extreme Newbie: Which violin to buy?   Extreme Newbie: Which violin to buy? EmptySat Feb 19, 2011 10:44 pm

Hello!

Well, mahal kasi ang yamaha na violin for entry level, compare sa mga Cremona, Bachendorf & Hofner.

Minsan lang ako nakahawak ng Yamaha violin, superb ang finish nito at craftsmanship... as expected naman sa mga yamaha instruments. hinde ko lang nga masasabi tungkol sa sound nito dahil talagang zero knowledge pa ako noon sa violin.

Search mo ung AV5 series ng yamaha violin kung interesado ka, tanong ka rin sa Yupangco[sila kadalasan nag bebenta ng mga Yamaha violin] pero mukhang kulang ang 8k para dito.

Sa 8K, may makukuha ka na na magandang Hofner o Cremona.
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hello jaepooh!! welcome sa PV!!! aun, a friend of mine has a yamaha violin, tama si T@l Blaiser, superb ang craftsmanship ng yamaha violins... nabanggit saken ng friend ko na sa USA binili ung yamaha nya na pinadala ng dad nya... i am not sure kung how much sya and kung anu ung price nya d2, pero i bet mahal un.... anyways, better kung may kasama ka talagang bibili na maraming alam sa violin.... based sa mga nnabasa ko d2 sa forums, Hofner which is meron sa Salonga/JB Music store, Bachendorff sa Lyric Music store, and Cremona sa JB meron din, are the brands na most commonly sinasuggest for begginers (like me... I have a bachendorff). 8k is enough, i think may sosobra pa, ilaan mu n lng sa lessons ung matitira.... :p
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PostSubject: Re: Extreme Newbie: Which violin to buy?   Extreme Newbie: Which violin to buy? EmptySun Feb 20, 2011 9:51 am

thanks po T@l Blaiser at clowreed11!

baka sa Lyric na rin lang ako bumili. if anything, meron po ba kayong tips para sa tulad kong wala talagang alam? ang iniisip ko po aesthetics muna yung tingnan then kapag may alam na'ko sa instrument, saka na lang mag-level up. :)
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If you would like to consider, I would suggest that you buy a used violin so for you not to experience the RAWNESS of a brand new violin: unplayable, hard to turn tuning Pegs, untrimmed bridge, etc..

So you I guess you might want to find a used violin that is decently Set up.. Extreme Newbie: Which violin to buy? 112191

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PostSubject: Re: Extreme Newbie: Which violin to buy?   Extreme Newbie: Which violin to buy? EmptySun Feb 20, 2011 1:30 pm

okay na idea po yan Cute Worm. pero parang gusto ko ata mag-start sa basic. as in maranasan gawin lahat ng kelangang set-up. xD thanks po sa tip :)
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@jaepooh: aesthetics? galing lang ako kanina sa lyrics, JB & Sound essentials kanina, nag susubok ulit ng mga violin, hinde ako nagagandahan sa kahoy ng bachendorff na tig 13k-15k[Concert series] hinde buo ang kanilang mga flame sa back at neck, ung tig 19k na Hofner, medyo maganda na ung flame... kaso ang mahal na nito kumpara sa mga Chinese handcrafted na talagang magaganda ang kahoy na ginamit.

Makinig ka kay Cute worm, hanap ka na lang ng 2nd hand na violin, nakaset-up na at ready for play kaagad. napaka agressive at ang tapang ng mga tunog ng bagong violin.

Mag create ka ng thread dito sa PV, at mag abang, meron diyan magbebenta sa iyo :D
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Hahah. naku wag muna mag invest sa aesthetics. yung tunog muna, nakakfrustrate mag aral/praktis pag di mo maachieve yung gusto mong tunog.
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I also have to agree with cute worm (naki-join? haha!)
Just to add, I think 8k is a bit too much for your first violin unless you really have a lot of cash to spend.
I suggest that you get a cheaper violin and spend the remaining cash on lessons.

Enjoy playing bro!
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You can get the Bachendorff worth 5k.. Ive tried that one and it is decent enough for a beginner. Sa itsura naman, matte finish yun kaya hindi masyadong makintab..

Sa tunog, the default strings aren't very harsh.. Pero kung gusto mo masubukan ang lahat ng pinagdaanan namin, Go ahead, pero sana wag ka bumigay agad pag nafrustrate ka. Considering na malayo ang Manila sa Batangas para lang magparepair ng violin pag may di ka nagustuhan..

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Mga sir,tanung ko lang po, worth it po ba yung 15k na bachendorff?
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salamat po sa lahat ng nag reply! nung pumunta po ako sa LYRIC, nag suggest sila sa'kin dun ng Bachendorff na 4500, pero dahil sale sila, nasa 4050 na lang. okay naman daw po yung sound, kasi may violin teacher na andun rin na nagsabi.

thanks po sa lahat ng tips! kailangan talaga may patience pag may pinag-aaralang bago. :)
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paulvg wrote:
Mga sir,tanung ko lang po, worth it po ba yung 15k na bachendorff?

Sa tanung na yan hindi kita sasagutin ng diretso.. Pero bibigyan kita na basis for comparison..

Compare my violin worth 12k++Php sa sinasabi mong bachendorff.. Click >>HERE<<
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Maganda talaga ang violin ni Cute Worm. Maswerte ako at nahawakan ko si Theia kahit sandali :)

I own a Bachendorff Pro Series (Not the Concert Series magkaiba yun). The infamous 15k violin. If you asked me, I am very happy with it, and some fellow enthusiasts tell me it is very nice. Wala nga lang akong photo at the moment. It is a matter of preference, kaya hindi ko siya mai-recommend sa iyo on the basis of my own experience. Some would say it's because of the aesthetics, or dahil mabigat siya, etc.

Before you buy this one, I suggest na you give it a try. Kung may kakilala ka na nagmamay-ari nito subukan mo muna. 15k is still serious business. Sayang naman kung hindi ka ma-satisfy.
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Ito yung violin ni Anthony

The Bachendorff worth 16k
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Maganda din yan..
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Cute Worm wrote:
Ito yung violin ni Anthony

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Maganda din yan..

Wow, ganda ng finish/aesthetics. Ah sir between Bachendorff and Hofner na halos magkasing presyo siguro mga 10k above? Anu po mas sulit?
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Cute Worm wrote:
Ito yung violin ni Anthony

The Bachendorff worth 16k
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Maganda din yan..

i have the same model hehe
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@paulvg I own the exact same Bachendorff as Anthony. :) If you are going above 10k, I suggest you go for this one. Mas mahal kasi yung Hofner.
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wow.

bago lang po ako dito. saan po nakakabili ng ganyan and if maganda po ba and justice sa price? my lola gave a budget of 15k for my first violin ano po ma rerecommend niyo...
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You might want to consider Asking help and Buying Online for a good violin.. Maghihintay ka nga lang konti..

Check mine.. I got it for 12k+ including Customs Duties and tax.. If you are interested, you can ask help to the members to help you choose and assist you how to buy online.. Your budget is more than enough..

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ang ganda naman po parang si garfield.

Sige po i'll scan the link that you've provided. many thanks :)
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Pwede ka din mag browse dito YITA VIOLINS


at Dito Feng Violins --> FYI: dito ko nabili violin ko
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@"H" Pussyback KittyFlames
Parang si Garfield pala ang violin mo :D

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Mr. Kitty Flames. Thank you, I saw the links and isa lang ang masasabi ko. "Wow"

ang gaganda. I'll ask my lola to stretch the budget :D i'm eyeing for a pro+ series. We have an old violin down in the basement, judging by its current look, i don't think its playable :P. Its a gibson violin owned by my grandaunt. she used to play for London Symphony Orchestra in her younger years.
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Hindi na Playable? Gusto mo bigay nalang sakin? hehehe Extreme Newbie: Which violin to buy? 112191
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family heirloom daw eh. its in a wood case, gathering dust, no strings din, and yung bow parang panot na matanda. sayang nga di inalagaan.
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jaepooh wrote:
after my research, mas maganda pala yung may opinion ng mga marunong na.
What was the thought process and consideration parameters behind your research? If you can give us an insight into what data or information you have as it relates to what you want from the instrument and yourself, I think we can guide you better.


Leonardo wrote:
wow. bago lang po ako dito. saan po nakakabili ng ganyan and if maganda po ba and justice sa price? my lola gave a budget of 15k for my first violin ano po ma rerecommend niyo...
Off the cuff opinion, considering your eyeing a "pro" with your budget of 15k, you might want to consider apportioning like so:

8-10k for the violin
5-7k for expenses related to setting it up >>> since most violins will need some form of "polishing" after being bought. Especially if you buy one online or overseas (i.e.: OVH) and after a while of playing, you find the need to change chinrests, strings, shoulder rests, etc.

I actually suggest deferring from buying a "pro" level instrument at this point. Your a professed "newbie" right? That being the case, an intermediate one would be more than sufficient. Why? Because your sense and taste in sound will mature as you learn. By then, spending on a more expensive instrument would be more cost-efficient, since you will have more "experienced" insights to help you along the way prior to purchasing.


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@jaepooh & Leonardo:
At the end of the day, music is personal. Each person's tastes and wants will differ. So, its better to leave some window (and hard-earned moola) for a future time when it will be more about what YOU believe is preferable (and right) for yourself. (^^,)v

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Leonardo wrote:
family heirloom daw eh. its in a wood case, gathering dust, no strings din, and yung bow parang panot na matanda. sayang nga di inalagaan.

ako!!! AKO MAG-AALAGA DIYAN!!!!!!!! Extreme Newbie: Which violin to buy? 770828

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Yuuko-san and friends. Many Thanks for your inputs. I haven't really thought about the "polishing "part. I'll append that to my budget distribution. :)

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Leonardo wrote:
Its a gibson violin owned by my grandaunt. she used to play for London Symphony Orchestra in her younger years.

Such a waste! You know, you might want to bring it to a luthier -- either kay Tamayo or Gabute -- if it was what she played with in the LSO. Or if it's beyond playable rescue, have it restored for posterity. It being an heirloom and all.

It just seems so criminal to have it the way it is and where it is now...I hurt inside just thinking about it.

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I believe that's the one she used while being part of the LSO. It came along with some other stuff years ago after my grand aunt died (she never was married), I think my lola wanted it shipped to the Philippines back then.


I got the their contacts form the Luthier's Thread. Will ask for the restoration price later.. If budget permits, I'll have it restored. If not, I'll stick with the orginal plan.

Sana di ako multuhin kung sakaling di ko mabigyan ng justice yung violin nya :)

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@ 'H' Kittyback: GANDA NG VIOLIN MO!!! Hwehe!

- Whhaahhh! Pareho kami ni Anthony kung ganon. Single back na maple din ba yan?
- I have two of that kind but different in appearance. Bachendorff (high grade) violins are handcrafted. They are not exactly alike in means of looks and sound. I have two of them high grade bachendorffs and they sound way different from each other. Also, when I bought one of them 1st time, I had four of them laid on a table for me to test which has a better sound and I tell you, all of them had the same location of soundpost and the same height of bridge. I did the same the 2nd time I bought my latest violin. Even all the Stradivarius violin don't sound exactly alike as one of the articles that I read before said: 3 Stradivarius violins got tested and two of them were applauded. They audience thought, one of them was not a Strad. So there, not every handcrafted violin are exactly alike even if though have the same brand. So you still have to test it. Hehe! I also tried testing my violin against a Suzuki worth 47k sa LYRIC and a Concert Series. I had four audiences then. All of them told me that my Violin sounded better than the two. I'm not saying that mine is better but that was the result of being 'OC' in choosing the right one. I even had it tested against a Strad copy worth 40k. The result was... what I never expected. =) Cheers!
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Leonardo.

May parating akong violin from OVH. baka gusto mong bilhin. hahaha
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Mga magkano po?
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Hmm Gibson? May kilala ka bang Nicole del Rosario?
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Nicole Antoinette po ba? pinsan ko po siya sir. why?

and magkano po yung violin at ano itsura?
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teka PM ko sayo yung picture at price.

anyways benta ko sayo ng discounted :>

PINSAN mo si lil bro Nicole pala AMF! sya nag turo saakin ng Minuet III at nagsuggest na mag suzuki ako mga 3 to 4 years ago. Alam ko yang gibson na yan, binabalak namin iparevarnish yan dati. so mag-aagawan kayo sa pamanang violin? /gg
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ahahahaha, hindi na siya nagtuloy mag-aral kasi.

PM ko na lang po kayo tungkol sa violin na ibebenta niyo. Off topic na po ata tayo.
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to newbies, visit this link kung need niyo ng kasama for group buy

http://www.pinoyviolinist.com/t741-the-official-quiapo-excursion-thread#26757
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