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PostSubject: Sound Post Installation   Sound Post Installation EmptyWed Feb 23, 2011 11:56 am

Hello PV!

Okay so, pinag lalaruan ko ung Chinese Hofner ko na violin, tinangal ko ung soundpost sabay binabalik ko gamit ko lang ay Cotton pliers Well kahit ilang beses ko ibalik hinde ko makuha ung sound na gusto ko which is somewhat deep & fat... lumakas nga ang sound pero hinde nagbago ung mismong tunog, manipis pa rin.

Kailangan kaya ng ibang klase ng sound post? or may tamang location ito? may mga nakita ako na mga instruction tungkol sa soundpost installation, pero wala ito gaano sinasabi kung paano mababago ang tunog ng mismong violin.

Ayaw ko na muna pakelaman itong soundpost, dahil natuhog na ng husto[tagusan], mukhang bibili muna ako ng mga bagong sound post + ung Sound post setter o ung buong kit na.

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PostSubject: Re: Sound Post Installation   Sound Post Installation EmptyWed Feb 23, 2011 2:19 pm

@Tal

I saw them Luthiers give a wee bit of a tap on the sound post and the sound changed significantly. My eyes and ears witnessed it first hand in Mang Tulio's shop last summer when Makalaarni's soundpost collapsed.

I asked him "could you make it sound more Dark since it is a Guarnerius copy ?" And whith a couple of taps with the sound post setter, it is achieved !!!!

Naamaze lang ako sa mastery ng mga Luthier ... they know their instruments !!! ^_^

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PostSubject: Re: Sound Post Installation   Sound Post Installation EmptyWed Feb 23, 2011 2:40 pm

@ baroqueviolin: Thank you! magawa nga iyun, hinde ko naiisip ung pag tap sa soundpost :D well malamang hinde gaano siguro successful, pero pag e experimentuhan ko na :D
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PostSubject: Re: Sound Post Installation   Sound Post Installation EmptyWed Feb 23, 2011 3:03 pm

How about trying this Pattern?


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PostSubject: Re: Sound Post Installation   Sound Post Installation EmptyWed Feb 23, 2011 3:13 pm

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How about trying this Pattern?


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The best! talagang maa asahan ka :D Yes uumpisahan ko na subukan, meron na akong magandang pointers :D

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PostSubject: Re: Sound Post Installation   Sound Post Installation EmptyWed Feb 23, 2011 3:17 pm

Wow! I know mang Tulio and he knows me very well. He lives close to my house. Hehe! I even tried most of his stradivarius and guarneri copies. Lucky me. =)

It's true, he often taps it with a post setter and explained to me before that a even single tap to the soundpost could change the sound. I learned that if you would move the post closer to the bridge, the sound will be more brilliant, and if you move it far from the bridge (close to the base bar inside the violin), the sound would be darker and deeper, however, there's a posibility that sound volume could decrease.

Things I use to set my post:
I cut a piece of metal from a hanger then I use a metal file to sharpen the edge of it. I also have a blunt scissor to hold the sound post in place inside the f hole while the metal hanger is inserted in the other side. I also use the scissor to tap the post since it is heavier.

Again: Just an experiment and I learned from experience and observation from other luthiers. Hehe!

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PostSubject: Re: Sound Post Installation   Sound Post Installation EmptyWed Feb 23, 2011 3:26 pm

@ Tal:
- Yup, try mo yan. Yan din yung pattern ko eh. =)
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PostSubject: Re: Sound Post Installation   Sound Post Installation EmptyWed Feb 23, 2011 3:30 pm

I would like to experiment on my sound post too but then, this is at present my latest and most expensive So I'll just be patient and wait for the chance to let the Right hands do the Job I want.. hehehe



OT: this is my 1,500th post.. Sound Post Installation 760439

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PostSubject: Re: Sound Post Installation   Sound Post Installation EmptyWed Feb 23, 2011 3:59 pm

Congrats Wormy !!! ... well you can always experiment with your earlier violins... that is if you still have them..... ;-)
Dios mio wag naman sa Hand Crafted mo !!!! ... that should be out of the question !!!... Sound Post Installation 331934


Tal, OT = there is also the Old (Obsolete) Baroque Practice of bridge placement but i think i am the only one in da pilipins who consciously practice this .... this is for Various Renaissance and Baroque Standard Pitches >>>
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PostSubject: Re: Sound Post Installation   Sound Post Installation EmptyWed Feb 23, 2011 4:30 pm

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I learned that if you would move the post closer to the bridge, the sound will be more brilliant, and if you move it far from the bridge (close to the base bar inside the violin), the sound would be darker and deeper, however, there's a posibility that sound volume could decrease.

Aha yup! mukha nga, maluwag na talaga ung soundpost pag malapit na sa base bar... mukhang kakapusin ung sound post ko, baka kakailanganin ko ng bago :D or baka hihigpit din ito pag tinono na ung mga strings.

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Congrats Wormy !!! ... well you can always experiment with your earlier violins... that is if you still have them..... ;-)
Dios mio wag naman sa Hand Crafted mo !!!! ... that should be out of the question !!!... Sound Post Installation 331934


Tal, OT = there is also the Old (Obsolete) Baroque Practice of bridge placement but i think i am the only one in da pils who consciously practice this .... this is for Various Renaissance and Baroque Pitches >>>
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He he he, marami naman yata na handcrafted si "H" Kittyback TigerFlames :D ako isa lang kaya sa hofner ako nag pa practice ^^;

Oo nga pala nakaka apekto ba ng sound ung pag lipat ng bridge?
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PostSubject: Re: Sound Post Installation   Sound Post Installation EmptyWed Feb 23, 2011 4:55 pm

AMAZING! na iiyak talaga ako Sound Post Installation 216868

PS: hinde ko binaklas ung sound post, tinulak tulak ko lang ng dahan dahan papunta sa Base bar ng mga est. 2mm.

halos naging kasing deep na ni hofner si Yvette! kaso nga, medyo humina nga ung tunog, at medyo kinakabahan ako dahil maluwag ung sound post ^^;

EDIT hinde pala, mas buo pa rin ang tunog ni Yvette, iba talaga pag handcrafted. pero napaka laki ng improvement ni Horner na factory made lang. ^^;

Ha ha ha! magigigiging Violin Tech na ako! woooooh!



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PostSubject: Re: Sound Post Installation   Sound Post Installation EmptyWed Feb 23, 2011 9:14 pm

I treat soundpost reseting as a critical procedure. Wrong placement of the post could cause soundpost cracks in the instrument. One time I changed my violin's tailpiece and the soundpost fell down. Talagang nagfreak out ako dahil yung violin ko ay handcrafted...hayun I had no choice but to take a paper clip and use it as a soundpost setter. Success.

Tip: wait for at least a day for the soundpost to set after installing it.
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PostSubject: Re: Sound Post Installation   Sound Post Installation EmptyWed Feb 23, 2011 10:09 pm

1 day pa? na set ko na ung strings. wag sana mawala ung brilliance at resonating sound, talagang bigla ako na inlove sa hofner ko ngayon T_T

EDIT: Natutukso na ako galawin ung kay Yvette, kaso mukhang aantayin ko na makuha muna ung totoong Post setter na instrument... or talagang dadalhin ko na lang sa luthier @_@;
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PostSubject: Re: Sound Post Installation   Sound Post Installation EmptyThu Feb 24, 2011 12:11 am

FYI: hindi po marami ang Handcrafted ko.. Theia is my only violin.. Fern is already for sale kaya ayoko na galawin.. hehehe
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PostSubject: Re: Sound Post Installation   Sound Post Installation EmptyThu Feb 24, 2011 3:14 pm

This weekend ganto ang Set Up ni Sprezzy.... bali malilipat sa other side ng sound post yung bridge.... >>>>>

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PostSubject: Re: Sound Post Installation   Sound Post Installation EmptyThu Feb 24, 2011 4:33 pm

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1 day pa? na set ko na ung strings. wag sana mawala ung brilliance at resonating sound, talagang bigla ako na inlove sa hofner ko ngayon T_T

EDIT: Natutukso na ako galawin ung kay Yvette, kaso mukhang aantayin ko na makuha muna ung totoong Post setter na instrument... or talagang dadalhin ko na lang sa luthier @_@;

yes you can install the strings after resetting the soundpost..pressure from the strings will help set the soundpost in place kagaya yung bridge. :-)

Nag promise na ako na huwag ko nang gagalawin yung soundpost ni Der Jaeger (my violin). So far ok yung tunog, rather sweet-toned...but I have the tendency to crush it sometimes since I an sort of aggressive player. Sound Post Installation 74395
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PostSubject: Re: Sound Post Installation   Sound Post Installation EmptyThu Feb 24, 2011 4:34 pm

Ok na ako sa Tone ng Violin ko kaso I'm longing for a little more Volume.. Khit mga 20%-30% lang.. hehehehe
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PostSubject: Re: Sound Post Installation   Sound Post Installation EmptyThu Feb 24, 2011 4:55 pm

@ Tal:
- Told yah! Hehe! Pero baka mgcollapse yung post mo ah kasi bka mxdo na syang lose eh. Aun...

Longer post? Tried that already. Hindi advisable. My tamang size and soundpost depende sa violin. Yung soundpost ng violin mo, yung na yung tamang size. Also, dapat kasing age ng kahoy ng sound post mo yung spruce mismo ng violin mo pra mg resonate ng maayos. Pero pde rin yung mas older and seasoned yung kahoy ng sound posts. Mas okay yun. =)

Natry ko din bumili ng plywood ng spruce tpos inukit ko pra gawing sound post. Hehe! And TIGAS ng kahoy eh! Hindi nging maayos yung tunog nya, pigil, mahina at my garalgal sa A string kpag nsa 'Do at Re' note yung finger ko, first position. Hehe! ^^

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PostSubject: Re: Sound Post Installation   Sound Post Installation EmptyThu Feb 24, 2011 5:07 pm

@Seong_jin: possible po kaya na ung reason ng pagvibrate ng A-string dun sa violin na pinahiram saken ay dahil wala syang soundpost? actually ung A-string lng po ung nagvvibrate ng sobra kpag nasa B-C# note..... saka nngaun ngaun ko lng narealize na anlaki talagang part ng soundpost sa sound kasi mahina at kulob ung tunong nung violin
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PostSubject: Re: Sound Post Installation   Sound Post Installation EmptyThu Feb 24, 2011 5:39 pm

@clowreed:
- Sa experience ko, marami sa mga violins ko yung magaralgal ung B, C and E notes kahit my sound post ay hindi ako sure sa case ng violin mo. One factor, I think is the strings. Magaralgal yung notes sa A string ko recently then I changed the strings. Aun... tanggal ang garalgal. Hehe! 1 and a half years na kasi yung string na tinanggal ko. Hehe!

Natry ko din na tumugtog ng alang sound post at malaki nga yung difference. Kapag alang post, mahina, kulob at maliit yung tunog nya. Aun... Hehe!

Try to get a new sound post po @clowreed. Mang Tulio, a luthier from Las Pinas told me: Leaving the violin without a soundpost for a long time may change the form of the wood as the strings push the bridge lower sa part kung saan dapat nka suporta yung soundpost. Cheers, Bro! =)
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PostSubject: Re: Sound Post Installation   Sound Post Installation EmptyThu Feb 24, 2011 5:42 pm

@Seong: Di kaya mag collapse yung table ng violin kapag walang sound post?
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PostSubject: Re: Sound Post Installation   Sound Post Installation EmptyThu Feb 24, 2011 5:48 pm

@jantigercat:

- Yup. Yun na yung worst na pde mangyari. =)
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PostSubject: Re: Sound Post Installation   Sound Post Installation EmptyThu Feb 24, 2011 6:03 pm

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@Seong: Di kaya mag collapse yung table ng violin kapag walang sound post?



worse case scenario po un...... lalo na kpag manipis po ung top plate.....


unhg nahiram ko po kasi matagal na daw po un walang soundpost...... eh prang inabanndona na nga po nung may ari, naaawa nga po ko dun sa violin.... as of now, niluwagan ko po muna ung strings hbang d pa sya ginagamit..... gus2 ko man po ipaayos, baka masayang lng po ung money kc baka ndi rin magamit, plus ala budget, 200 petot daw po ung palagay ng soundpost.....
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PostSubject: Re: Sound Post Installation   Sound Post Installation EmptyThu Feb 24, 2011 6:38 pm

@ clowreed:

- Ah... I see. Just be a bit cautious with it nalang. My mga sound posts pa ata akong mga spare galing sa mga dati kong violins. Almost a year narin kasi ako tumigil sa pag e experiment ng violin eh tapos nawala yung iba kong mga tools and spare parts. Hanapin ko yung iba kong sound posts tapos bigay ko sa yo. Mukhang pwede sa violin mo yung kasi luma na rin yung mga posts ko. Mga 9 years old yung pinaka matanda. Marunong ka bang magkabit ng sound post? Pag may chance na makapag meet, bigay ko sayo or kabit ko sa violin mo. Sound Post Installation 186686
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PostSubject: Re: Sound Post Installation   Sound Post Installation EmptyThu Feb 24, 2011 6:49 pm

Ang sarap talaga magbasa, dami ko napupulot na information. sorry kung hinde ako nag rereply, mas type ko manood ng conversation he he he.

Ayayayay, 2003 pa ung Hofner ko, dapat mas matanda o kasing edad nito ung soundpost na bibilhin ko?
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LET US PROMOTE THE PROPER WAY OF SPEAKING AND/OR WRITING.

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PostSubject: Re: Sound Post Installation   Sound Post Installation EmptyThu Feb 24, 2011 7:07 pm

@ Tal:

- Yup. Yun po ay based lamang po on research and experience. I tried new posts sa violin ko kasi and mejo nag iba yung tunog nya kasi hindi masyado nag va vibrate. Hehe! Anyway, may soundposts pa ata ako na spare. Hanapin ko lang muna sila. Hehe! Pag nahanap ko, bigyan kita if my chance na mka EB ko kayo. Yung iba kasi dun tulad ng sayo eh, yung tagusan. Hehe! Isa dun yung galing sa hofner ko dati. Mga 2006 siguro yun. Yung hofner ko din yung pinaka inexperementuhan dati. Gusto ko kasi lumaki tsaka lumakas yung tunog nya eh kaya ayun...
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PostSubject: Re: Sound Post Installation   Sound Post Installation EmptyThu Feb 24, 2011 7:28 pm

@seong: saan ka bumibili ng soundposts?
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PostSubject: Re: Sound Post Installation   Sound Post Installation EmptyThu Feb 24, 2011 7:43 pm

@ jantiger:

- Hehe! Hindi ko po binili yun. Yun po yung dati kong mga sound posts na tinanggal ko sa mga luma kong violin. Hehe! Siramiko ako dati eh. Hehe! Curious kasi ako sa placement ng sound post tsaka kung anung sound and maproproduce depende sa pwesto kaya ayun. Hehe!
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PostSubject: Re: Sound Post Installation   Sound Post Installation EmptyFri Feb 25, 2011 6:33 am

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@ jantiger:

- Hehe! Hindi ko po binili yun. Yun po yung dati kong mga sound posts na tinanggal ko sa mga luma kong violin. Hehe! Siramiko ako dati eh. Hehe! Curious kasi ako sa placement ng sound post tsaka kung anung sound and maproproduce depende sa pwesto kaya ayun. Hehe!

One time I saw sound post "blanks" sa Bonanza.com (sort of like that). So tempting talaga.
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PostSubject: Re: Sound Post Installation   Sound Post Installation EmptyFri Feb 25, 2011 11:07 am

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- Ah... I see. Just be a bit cautious with it nalang. My mga sound posts pa ata akong mga spare galing sa mga dati kong violins. Almost a year narin kasi ako tumigil sa pag e experiment ng violin eh tapos nawala yung iba kong mga tools and spare parts. Hanapin ko yung iba kong sound posts tapos bigay ko sa yo. Mukhang pwede sa violin mo yung kasi luma na rin yung mga posts ko. Mga 9 years old yung pinaka matanda. Marunong ka bang magkabit ng sound post? Pag may chance na makapag meet, bigay ko sayo or kabit ko sa violin mo. Sound Post Installation 186686


I think kaya ko po... malaking problema ko nga po ung soundpost setter pati ung kahoy... ang tagal na po nung mga post nyu... cge sir, kpag ok scheds naten, papaturo po ako..... THANKS PO!!
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PostSubject: Re: Sound Post Installation   Sound Post Installation EmptyFri Feb 25, 2011 1:54 pm

@clowreed:

- Cge, pag ok mga skeds natin mini EB tayo. Hehe! Okay lang naman kung ala kang tools kasi my alternative naman eh kaso mas maganda talaga tska mas madaling i settle yung post ng may proper tools. Ayun... Hehe!
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PostSubject: Re: Sound Post Installation   Sound Post Installation EmptyFri Feb 25, 2011 2:22 pm

may naisip po akong alternative eh.... bended ALAMBRE.... hehe..... nabrowse ko sa net na medyo mahal ung tools....
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PostSubject: Re: Sound Post Installation   Sound Post Installation EmptyFri Feb 25, 2011 2:25 pm

@seong-jin: ano po ba ung magandang positioning ng bridge for a more darker sound?? plus, kelangan po ba i-adjust din ung soundpost when you adjust the position of bridge???
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Clowreed wrote:
@seong-jin: ano po ba ung magandang positioning ng bridge for a more darker sound?? plus, kelangan po ba i-adjust din ung soundpost when you adjust the position of bridge???


Ung correct position ng bridge o sound post? Sa bridge: align the feet of the bridge between the two small nicks on the inside of the two "F" holes. Yan, dyan yung tamang position pero may iba rin na ngpapractice ng baroque style na malapit sa tailpiece yung bridge so syempre, malapit din dun yung sound post.

Sa sound post: Tingin ko wala namang correct position yung post eh depende sa tunog na gusto mo
pero my default position sya, yun eh ilang meters yung layo mula dun sa paanan ng bridge. Gusto mo mas dark yung tunog? Mas malapit sa base bar yung sound post mas ma base tska mas darker yung sound pero syempre, depende rin sa violin. Yung iba kasing violin kahit i adjust mo e maliit parin yung tunog. Ayun... Hehe! Hope these suggestions help you. =)
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