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PostSubject: Q: Entry Level Violins    Q: Entry Level Violins  EmptyThu Feb 24, 2011 10:47 pm

Mga sir, totoo po ba na yung mga entry level violins (ex. bachendorff, cremona, hofner & etc.) ay hindi nagiimprove yung tone as it ages?
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hindi siya nagiimprove dahil machine made ito


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PostSubject: Re: Q: Entry Level Violins    Q: Entry Level Violins  EmptyFri Feb 25, 2011 1:17 am

Depende sa Wood, sa Craftsmanship at sa pagaalaga ng may ari..
Pag ibang wood, it would not last..

In general pwedeng Hindi.. I tcan only retain its quality through the years..

Pero meron ding pa chambahan na gumaganda.. hehehe
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@Kittyback
Yung mga handcrafted lang po ba yung siguradong nagiimprove yung tone?
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Kung itatago mo lang, I don't think so.. Kelangan naplaplay constantly or periodically...
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PostSubject: Re: Q: Entry Level Violins    Q: Entry Level Violins  EmptyFri Feb 25, 2011 9:29 am

Depende sa kalidad ng violin na entry-level.

Kasi yung Hofner ko na Alfred Stingl bago ko ihinabilin kay Mang Anghel for setup (hindi ko pa nakukuha), medyo nagkakasundo na kami ng tunog niya, and this is a violin I have owned for 3 or so years na, at laspag na laspag sa araw-araw na gamit. Madugyot, as in marami nang handprints na hindi mabura, may tapyas na sa varnish. Pero I think mukhang mas promising na siya once na maikasa na yung kahoy na fittings :)

However, mag-improve man may mga limitasyon din talaga dahil nga machine made. So kung ang gusto mo ay entry-level violin na gagamitin mo ng matagal-tagal, get one na mas reputable, medyo mas mahal (5-6k give or take) pero susulitin mo talaga.

Hindi na ako mag-e-endorso ng brand, okay? LOL!


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PostSubject: Re: Q: Entry Level Violins    Q: Entry Level Violins  EmptyFri Feb 25, 2011 3:41 pm

Well medyo mahabang explanation ito. sa experience ko lang sa mga instruments:

kung ang plywood na guitar mas gumaganda habang tumatanda, di hamak lalo na ung mga solid wood na instruments. wala pa talaga ako nakita na mga violin na gawa sa ply wood, kadalasan mga solid wood.

IMO Kaya lang nasabi na mas maganda ang aged wood, dahil mas malakas ang volume, responsive, resonating, sustaining and of course, mature na ang tone.

pag sa umpisa pa lang at pangit na ang tunog ng instrument, pag ito ay tumanda, asahan mo na ganun parin ang tunog pero mas malakas na. kung nag improve man ang tone, hinde ganun ka pansin pansin.

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then, ang mga bagong entry level na violin ay mayroon makakapal na varnish. pero sa pagtagal ng pag gamit, nagkakaroon ng break in period, kung saan lalong kumakapit at sisiksik ang varnish sa kahoy ng violin, kaya kung hinde mo gagamitin ng matagal ang violin mo, itutok mo palagi sa malaking speaker na nag tumutugtog :D also ito rin ang dahilan kung bakit hinde maganda mag pa revarnish sa entry level, maliban kung e u upgrade mo ng pang pro/master na varnish.

Plus, dahil sa natural wear and tear, nababawasan ang mga varnish nito, mas lumalabas ngayon ang totoong tono ng kahoy, kaya kung pangit ang kahoy na ginamit, hinde rin maganda ang kalalabasan.

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Finally, kahit mag age na ang entry level, hinde nito matatapatan ang mga handcrafted na violin. In comparison sa guitara ko, ung more than 40 years ko na yamaha na pinagmamalaki ko, hinde nito kayang tapatan ung bago ko na handcrafted na guitara[2008], talagang sobrang layo ng pinagkaiba.

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balak ko pa naman bumili ng isang dosenang parrot at itatago ko sa basement =))

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balak ko pa naman bumili ng isang dosenang parrot at itatago ko sa basement =))

Pag naging vintage & mint condition iyan, malamang magkaka value iyan, lalo na sa mga violin collector :D bakit nga ba hinde? makapag tabi nga ng 2 na parrot violin, by the time na lolo na ako, ung dati na tig 1.7k magigiging 7.1k na he he he :D
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balak ko pa naman bumili ng isang dosenang parrot at itatago ko sa basement =))


hahaha! depende pa rin po talaga sa wood na ginamit.. pansin ko lang din sa gitara ko.. mas maganda ang tunog nya ngayon..
saka kung balak mong magtago ng violin sa basement tignan mo na maintained ang humidity ng room kasi posible na masira rin yung wood.. ^^
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I heard na ang machine-made nawawala ang quality ng tunog over time
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I heard na ang machine-made nawawala ang quality ng tunog over time

Tottoo, may mga mass produced na mga instrument na nag di disintegrate[pumapangit ang tunog at nasisira ang porma], kagaya ng mga lumanog ko na guitara, kahit gaano ko ingatan, talagang bumibigay ang top nito sa tension ng strings or bumabaluktot/warp *** mga kahoy. un din ang iniisip ko sa violin, kaso, itong Chinese factory made Hofner ko na matanda na[8yrs], mas maganda pa rin ang tunog kesa sa bago na premiere... eh noon bago pa lamang itong hofner eh marami gusto sumakal sa akin pag ginagamit ko ^^;

Sa tingin ko *** mga poorly constructed at poor materials, ito ang mga instrumento na bumibigay at pumapangit ang tunog sa pagtanda.

* back again sa guitara: sa mga Yamaha/Aria/Suzuki dahil totoong Cedar, Mahogany, Rosewood, ebony ang ginamit, kahit plywood[sapin-sapin] ito. nasa quality selection pa rin ito, at totoong tonewood for guitar constructions. Kaya siguro ang gaganda ng mga tunog ng mga ito lalo na *** mga vintage na nakita & nahawakan ko.

*** mga naging lumanog ko, hinde ko alam kung anong klase ng kahoy ang ginamit nila or tama ba ang pag dry/seasoning ng mga kahoy nito? well mukhang hinde dahil bumaluktot/warp ang kahoy, good constructions? hinde rin dahil *** iba ay bigla na lang bumigay ang top plates. pumapangit ang tunog nito dahil humihina na ang mga bracings sa loob then *BOOOM!*.

Finally, ito ang pinoproblema ko sa Premiere violin, anong klase ng kahoy kaya ito? dahil ng binawasan ko *** nut, ang puti pala ng kahoy[hinde ebony] malamang hinde rin ito spruce at maple... ano kaya ang mangyayari dito later on? mukhang isa ito sa papangit sa pagtanda ^^;


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^Ang madalas sabihin sa akin ng Mang Baby (yung Lyric piano shopkeeper na kausap natin kahapon) ang main na component ng Chinese mada violins at almaciga.

I am not sure what that is. You can look into that T@l.
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@ Halimaw_Sa_Banga: native daw natin iyang almaciga?

Yup Tonewood din ito, nag research ako, nalalapit daw sa maple ang tunog nito at maganda raw ang sustain? mukhang Almaciga nga itong nakuha ko, napansin ko na mahaba ang sustain nito... nabasa ko na kadalasan ginagamit ito sa paggawa ng guitara.
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A bit OT question, yung Bachendorff violin na worth 15k po ba ay considered as a handcrafted violin?
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@ paulvg: yup, handcrafted, pang advance na iyun.
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@ paulvg: yup, handcrafted, pang advance na iyun.

Thank you sir/ma'am! Uhm, I have another question. Yung mga Strad and Guarneri violin copies po ba eh gayang gaya yung tone nung pinagkopyahan? Thanks in advance.
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No it doesn't imitate the tone..

Fairly the tone is the main reason that makes the genuine violins cost a whole lotta fortune... :D
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Also, the provenance of the violin determines its value. :-)

Provenance meand yung mga previous owners ng violin... so kung very famous owner yung violin, they will also give weight to this aside from the maker and tone.

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T@l Blaiser wrote:
@ paulvg: yup, handcrafted, pang advance na iyun.

Thank you sir/ma'am! Uhm, I have another question. Yung mga Strad and Guarneri violin copies po ba eh gayang gaya yung tone nung pinagkopyahan? Thanks in advance.

marami nag attempt, pero sabi nila si J.B. Vuillaume nakagawa ng replica both in tone & appearance. *** mga Strad, Guarneri, Amati etc... ay magandang design ng violin kaya iyan ang ginagamit ng karamihan sa paggawa. Pero "No strad sound alike" kahit parehong gawa ni stradivari, may sariling tunog ang bawat isang violin. gayun din ang mga copy ngayon. ang sabi pa nga ng iba eh, mas maganda na raw ngayon ang mga modern violin... but that is to ones own discretion. basta masaya ka sa violin mo at talagang nag bibigay serbisyo sa iyo ng maayos, hinde mo na kailangan ng mas higit pa diyan :D
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maraming mga china-made na violins ang magaganda na ngayon...
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T@l Blaiser wrote:

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Finally, ito ang pinoproblema ko sa Premiere violin, anong klase ng kahoy kaya ito? dahil ng binawasan ko *** nut, ang puti pala ng kahoy[hinde ebony] malamang hinde rin ito spruce at maple... ano kaya ang mangyayari dito later on? mukhang isa ito sa papangit sa pagtanda ^^;



Oh my! hindi ba dapat white ang color ng kahoy ng violin? I am using Bachendorff Collector Series I and sinilip ko *** loob nya just now. . . puti *** kahoy nya. . . is that not good?
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